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How many hide their Ferrari from employees?

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by alanhenson, Apr 21, 2004.

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  1. sjb509

    sjb509 Guest

    It is not the employer's responsibility to ensure their employee's lifestyle is equal to his own. The employee's job is to perform their duties and be compensated at a level commensurate with their added value to the business, or what the market will bear.

    However...
    The lack of tact in this post is astounding. These are the people that actually gave you the opportunity to buy your Maserati and your brother his Porsche, and this is how you think of them? Explain to me why they should go the extra step to make the business a profit, when all you'll do is rub their face in it?

    Hopefully the real intent of the post was lost in the wording, although from reading your other posts in this thread I doubt it.
     
  2. Kleos1

    Kleos1 Karting

    Feb 1, 2004
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    hehehe I hide mine from my boss ;)
     
  3. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Right, I pay for mine eating junk food all the time, they all have Suburbans with cow catcher grills. We all have the same vehicle allowance, I just had more imagination!
     
  4. thecarreaper

    thecarreaper F1 World Champ
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    Well said! i know bubbas here that drive a $40k truck to tow a $28k bass boat with a $25k engine on it, and its all financed for forever. my plans include a 308 soon and a V12 something one day in the future. its so hard to explain that one can find some nice older cars for way less than most of this new computer-car crap "THEY" are trying to force us to buy. LONG LIVE CARBS!!!!!!
    for the record, i am not going to tell a soul i know or work with when i get my fcar. only those who know me well enough to be welcome at my home will know. thats only if the alarm is off and both bays of the shop happen to be open!!!! one of my neighbors kids knocked on the door to look at the trans ams in the garage, he was thrilled when i let him start them both up ( they needed to run anyway). he was shocked they they had been in there for months and he never knew it. privacy fence is up now too so that will help as well. great thread! michael
     
  5. Janet

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    I would imagine that this thread could also go a bit further and ask how many Ferrari owners hide their Ferrari (or other exotic car) from relatives.

    I have a physician friend with a 348. When his folks were coming to town to visit he would swap his 348 for my Alfa Romeo Spider. He didn't want his parents to think he was being foolish with his money and possibly be written out of the inheritance plans. :) Now, I loved the arrangement since I got to drive the Ferrari, but, it does make me wonder how many people are hiding their cars from their relatives.
     
  6. LAfun2

    LAfun2 Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Alan,

    You know that friend of yours you have with the communist mailman? I think to solve your problem, send him the yellow 355. He said he will pay for shipping and take care of it. Thus you will not have to post such ludicrous threads. ;) He also wanted to say Hi to your wife :D
     
  7. Horsefly

    Horsefly F1 Veteran

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    I hide my Ferrari from everybody, including myself. Come to think of it, I've never even seen it. But I know it's out there, somewhere, just waiting for the widow, er,... I mean owner, to sell it to me at a bargain price.
     
  8. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    I say just leave the car at home. It could cause resentment in the work place towards you.

    Many employee's already feel that they are working to make you rich. And showing up in a Ferrari only solidifies their suspisions. This may cause moral and productivity to suffer, maybe even some will just quit on the spot.

    Leave the Ferrari as a private pleassure to be shared by you and your family and friends. Don't rub it in you employee's face. Put yourself in thier shoes and really think how you would feel.
     
  9. Smiles

    Smiles F1 World Champ
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    Good question, Janet! A lot of relatives wouldn't understand.
     
  10. Doody

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    interesting thread.

    if you're in the service business, it's a tough call. people have a funny way of drawing their own conclusions regardless of what you or i or we think.

    if you're not in the service business, it's your call.

    i don't buy the "if your employees can achieve the same gains" argument. the fact is that the vast majority of your employees will never be willing to make the sacrifices you (at least i) made to achieve the success you've achieved that permits you to own stupid sports cars. and that's the same whether you bought an enzo after taking your tech company public or you bought a 308 by scratching and scrimping and sacrificing for ten years to save up. most people won't fixate on a professional goal and fight tooth and nail for it (i'm sorry to say) - it's too hard.

    there's also the issue of whether you acquired your spoils as a result of your current gig or a previous gig. i was able to buy stupid cars as a result of selling one of my companies. i was relatively thoughtful about flashing the financial success about while i was still there. but on to the subsequent companies, i have no real issues with driving my cars to work. i achieved X and it allowed me to do Y and it has nothing to do with company Z i'm at/running now.

    my tuppence.

    doody.
     
  11. racerdj

    racerdj F1 Veteran
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    I don't hide mine from my employees. I have 63 employees some of which are car nuts and enjoy the car. I pay my employees above average wages with bonus profit sharing for the last 15 years or so with 401K matching funds. It's how you treat them that counts. I have some non-college people making 100k with benefits. I have a very low turnover and several that have left have come back after they find out what they are missing. Whenever family functions come up, we are the first to accomodate their special wishes. It all depends on how your employees are treated.
     
  12. alanhenson

    alanhenson Formula 3

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    LOL. I'll send it staight away Ryan. On second thought, those mailmen of your might take, so I better keep it.
     
  13. Ricambi America

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    I hide the car. It's quite sad because my office is about 30 miles away down some great twisty roads. At this point, only 3 co-workers know about the car -- and they've all go similar secret car hobbies (one races a Rousch Mustang, the other two are hard-core AutoX'ers). Everyone else is in the dark.

    Here's the real issue however: my IT staff probably knows EVERYTHING - they must notice that I spend 99% of my day reading ferrarichat.com !!

    -Daniel
     
  14. alanhenson

    alanhenson Formula 3

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    No it's not a sign of mental health. I have a psych degree, and it means quite the opposite. Wanting to be ones self, no matter what, is actually a sign of good mental health. 50% of all people hide a good bit of their personality. I have a very hard time with that though. It's just me. I offend people often, due to that. But with me, what you see is what you get. No lies. It just sucks not to share your pride and joy with people that have become friends. As far as the midlife crisis, it can't be that. I am pretty young and even younger looking. I have gotten the comment about Daddy's car a couple of times. Cracks me up. But, I think the consensus is not to show it off. I don't see anything positive that can come from it. America just has too much guilt about money. We love it more than anyone else, yet it is seen as tacky to show that you have alot. Kinda like sexuality in the US. We are horrified at the site of nudity on TV, but we have a rabid porn industry. We love to hate ourselves.
     
  15. sjmst

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    Imagine someone who is in the closet gay and a Ferrari driver! Double that for them. Seriously, I don't like to adverstise that I have one. It would do no good to tell people it's a Mondial and cost less than their minivan. It is just a wierd thing that evokes strange responses from people. Its a complication I don't need.
     
  16. Z0RR0

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    This is excatly how I feel.

    If your employees have harsh feelings if you show up in a Ferrari, it means there is a problem deeper than that. Let everyone know how hard you work or have worked/studied.
     
  17. bernardo66

    bernardo66 The Crazy Cat Man
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    Hide it...no!! However I am rather discreet about it. Most of my co-workers are francophones and (unfortunately) a few still have a stereotype image of what an Italian is all about. Hint...Don Corleone. For these few narrow-minded souls, the Ferrari only re-enforces the stereotype.
     
  18. UroTrash

    UroTrash Four Time F1 World Champ
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    My future 330 GTC will not be know to any of my family. There is no advantage there.
     
  19. BusDriver

    BusDriver Formula Junior

    Mar 30, 2004
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    I hide the car. Letting employees, customers, prospective customers see the car opens up a can of worms with regards to perceptions.

    I own the car because I love fast cars. Unfortunately, other people often see it differently – often people think that I have the car because I have so much cash that I can “blow” cash on whatever I feel like, or that I am a flashy, show-off type of individual. The individual who compared Ferrari ownership to blowing $25K on gambling perfectly illustrates my point.

    I own the car *only* because I love fast cars. It is that simple for me.
    Unfortunately, it is not that simple for people’s perceptions.
     
  20. rascalif

    rascalif Karting

    Dec 20, 2003
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    A few weeks ago my wife's SUV broke down so she was forced to take my sedan. I had no choice but to take the Mondial, my best-kept secret, to work for week while the vehicle was being repaired. The news spread like wildfire, and pretty soon I was deluged by people wanting to take a ride/ask questions, etc. etc. (all this for a sub-$40k car). Not once did I get a negative reaction, and in time it pretty much became a non-issue. I believe a lot of it had to do with the fact that I try to be a fairly humble, easygoing person who treats everyone, from executive management to the mail room clerk, with the same common front. Had I been some egotistic @$$hole I'm sure it would have been a different story.

    Moral: it's not the F-car, it's the person driving the F-car that will determine the general reaction at work.

    As an epilogue, some time later my co-worker drove in in a brand-new Prius. That generated even more excitement and attention, and rightly so. :)
     
  21. Gilles27

    Gilles27 F1 World Champ

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    I tried, but was eventually found out. Immediately, the Magnum P.I. jokes started. Kind of funny.
     
  22. Ducman491

    Ducman491 Formula 3

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    I noticed something when my wife was in the hospital giving birth to my son. The medical professional that spent the most time with my wife made the least money (nurse) and the one who spent the least time made the most money.(anestesiologist)(sp?) The Dr. who delivered him (C-section)was in between the other two. However, you need to look at the liability involved. Make a mistake with the epidural and they both could die. Make a mistake with the C- section and one or both could die. The odds of the nurse making a fatal mistake are much less. If you treat your people well then you should not feel strange about driving your Ferrari to work. If someone has a problem with that, tell them that you worked very hard to get to the position you are in today and the next time they would like to tell a patient that they have cancer and may die. They can be your guest. The responsibility of your position is justification enough. But only if you treat your employees well! If times start to get tough and you have to make cut backs then maybe lay off driving the Ferrari to work for a while.
     
  23. alanhenson

    alanhenson Formula 3

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    That sucks. It's really kinda sad. I would hope that the ones you love would always be happy for your success. But, I guess all families are not the same. No offense intended.
     
  24. Horsefly

    Horsefly F1 Veteran

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    This thread gives me a great idea. I could start up
    www.yourbossdrivesaferrari.com

    People could anonomously rat on their superiors about the flambouyant cars that they are driving while the working class slaves away in the sweat shops. I can hear the promotional ads now:

    "SUSPECT THAT THE BOSS IS LIVING HIGH ON THE HOG WHILE YOU STRUGGLE TO BRING HOME THE BACON? Then nail down the truth at
    www.yourbossdrivesaferrari.com . Find out once and for all who is dining on pheasant and caviar while they let YOU be the PEASANT who has to "eat cake"!!!
     
  25. alanhenson

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    Punk. I don't know you. I don't know you. LOL. JK.
     

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