Holy crap.....I'm not insulting anyone. Stop trying to read between the lines! If it came across that way, I apologise, but I think the accusers have selective reading.
It was a great question and there have been some excellent answers - very informative I am 3 years into my 3 month rebuild - I am expecting my new pistons next week after waiting for more than 5 months for the piston specialist to make them Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
There have been some excellent responses, but very few actual answers to the ORIGINAL question! People don't know I've been into this stuff for 40 years, so they keep thinking I need to know the additional information, instead of just the actual answer to the question AS ASKED....then they get all bent out of shape when that's pointed out to them...oh well! What can you do?
I agree Peter. The problem with ALL the responses is you assumed that the work had yet to be carried out rather than already been carried out. Hence the reason why the original question was asked assuming there was no issues because Peter knew that there were none (or if there were, they were addressed already) and so those would not add to overall time for the job. Having said that Peter, they might be able to have another crack at what the allocated time would be in this new light.
I think his question was clear. How long to rebuild a perfect engine in a perfect situation. 100 hours, I thought it was addressed well. There were however many different post regarding the unlikelihood that his ideal exists. I for one have enjoyed following this post. Steve's account of his rebuild with a change of crankshaft for added stroke just shows that it is very rarely ideal and it just won't be done in 100 hours. I have my popcorn and will continue to be entertained by this thread. I just love a good story.
You wouldn't think I would have needed to go into all that. One thing I know for sure, 100 hours is absurd. (no offence) If you want me to tell you how I know, I guess I can bore you with the details, but I'd rather not.
Maybe this is a lost in translation episode? So is your question really - how long does it take to assemble an engine once components disassembled, cleaned, inspected, measured, replacement parts ordered and received, all machining done, new fasteners and all laid out on a table ready to go? If yes, then 45 hours assuming nothing is uncovered on assembly that was missed during inspection and measuring and no mistakes made in reassembly. If no, see all of the posts above. Just got my engine back to my shop after 3 years although there were breaks for waiting on parts and my work demands getting in the way. Image Unavailable, Please Login
You didn't ask one question; you actually asked two. Question 1: Assuming nothing turns to crap, how many hours would it take to rebuild a 308 Carby engine including remove and refit in the car? Question 2: According to the book, 45 hours. That's a lot of time if it's done non stop. What's reality? Based on the answers you got, it should be obvious that everyone was answering Q2, while also keeping Q1 in mind. You asked what the reality was, and you were told. Now you're "feeling amused" that everyone who is "self-serving" was unable to read your mind, answer only Q1, and pretend they hadn't seen Q2. There's no need to get snarky with people that answered a question you asked. It certainly doesn't take 4 weeks to do a bare-medal paint job... assuming the car is already in the shop, stripped, masked, sanded, repaired, filled, resanded, disassembled, on the rotisserie and hanging in the paint booth. But that's not how time is generally quoted nor discussed for such a job. So if your background - or specific details of your current rebuilt - are relevant, then you should have included them.
You say it's two questions, but really it's not. The first part says to assume there are no issues. With that in mind, I confirm that the book says 45 hours, and ask if that's realistic STILL assuming the first question. So technically two questions obviously, but not in isolation.... Maybe that is where it got lost in translation. By the way, that 45 hours included remove and refit as well as disassemble and reassemble.
As we all are aware, the 'book' time was established by Ferrari as the warranty number. Typically these times are set by having a number of techs each do the job on a basically new car. Depending on the criteria, that number is then the 'go to'. Porsche for example have two techs carry out a task 12 times each, throw out high and low, then average the rest (so I was told in Porsche school). The times then need to be added to for the condition of hardware, refinishing, remachining etc., etc..
Peter, the first answer DID answer your question and that answer was liked by some people with a lot of experience. Several other answers supported that first answer. You seem to be ignoring these answers which addressed your exact question, perhaps because they were not what you wanted to hear. Accusing some people of being self serving when they are trying to help you is not in the spirit of the community.
Perhaps we could have spared ourselves some time if the thread had gone like this: Q: "The book time says 45 hrs. Is this true?" A: "Yes, it is true that the book says 45 hrs." /thread
Lol Listen you guys.... Just forget it If any of you professionals can't do a "no problem" rebuild in less than 60 hours, then there's some serious price gouging going on and you just don't want to go public with it. That's all I have to say. This is not my first rodeo. If you knew the background to the question, and my background for that matter, you wouldn't be so flippant. Either that or we are talking about something completely different.
Out of all the answers, I'll take this one. It's just common sense with a reasonable explanation without the sensationalism of some others.
Sometimes I get the impression, that a Space Shuttle is easier ro rebuild, than a bloody 70s italian V-8. And of course pros should act self-servicing. Otherwise they wouldn't be good businessmen. Peter, you should know; each good deal begins with a good story Best from Germany Martin
Definitely me, but based on the wording of the question I didn't feel it necessary... And it really shouldn't have been.
