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  1. acw

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    Apologies in advance if this is an obvious question but I simply can't find the answer anywhere... Anybody knows how many Pista were / will be built and how this compares to other limited editions V8s?

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  3. SoCal to az

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    Oh wait, that’s the number of threads out there asking the exact same question. My apologies.
     
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  5. leopoldo

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    Seems 2500 for the coupe’ and 800 for the spider.
     
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    under 2000 Coupes and 700-800 Spider
     
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  8. Roland1688

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    I doubt that the number of coupe will be under 2,000. Likely 3,000~3,500.
     
  9. obbob

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    No one knows for certain. You’re going to get a range of <2000 overall to around 5000 units.

    Everyone is going to claim they have an ultra reliable source. Personally, I trust the sources that are closest to the production function of Ferrari’s supply chain. The sources I trust the least are the ones close to the end customer part (ie dealerships and individual buyers).
     
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  10. LVP488

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    I also suspect people owning a Pista have a little bias to emphasize its rarity ;)
    I may be wrong of course.
     
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  11. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    ppg70 said 3500 coupe +1200 spider is ''well known''. That would be the top end i think .

    With F8 launched this could well reduce the numbers if some orders jump ship to the cheaper model etc.
     
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  13. acw

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    Thanks everyone. And to answer my own question there was 3000 458 Speciale built with 499 Apertas. So I guess 3000-3500 is the range.
     
  14. Lukeylikey

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    Except there are many people here and people I know personally who would love a Pista and can’t get one so it does seem that they are not producing enough to meet demand. Whereas the Speciale was available to first time new buyers. This I know because I did exactly that.
     
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    When do the emission changes introduced on the F8 T take effect? (NO 2020 model year EU Pista models?) Those new requirements like GPF etc. would seem to make a hard deadline when all the Pista coupe and spider production must be complete. Less coupe production (tight allocation numbers) to fit in all the other cars that need to be built.
     
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    So rare that you will never see one on the road. (unless its going to a car show). So what does that tell you?
     
  17. dmark1

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    Ummmm , no. At most 2500 Speciales including the Apertas.
     
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  18. Raydog9379

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    I don't know if I'd say that (hopefully I see a Pista here and there outside of that). I do have a guy about 5 houses down in my neighborhood that seems to switch up Aventador SV's like they're going out of style, and they're much more rare in terms of production numbers. He had 2 last year at the same time (a yellow and an orange), and now has a gorgeous blue one with yellow SV on the side. As the weather is getting better in our area, I see him driving it almost daily.
     
  19. SoCal to az

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    I can tell you that I have not seen a single Pista on the road, at any of the local car shows - anywhere.

    Who knows what the numbers will be but there aren’t too many around these parts.
     
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  21. Thecadster

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    I fall into that grouping, alas. The “have nots”. Or the “can’t haves”.
     
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  22. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    I'm wondering what will happen next .. the folks who want/ed the Pista will they wait and buy secondhand ? Or decide to order the F8 to exactly their spec ?
     
  23. Thecadster

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    I can answer for myself. Neither scenario. I would only want to spec a very unique Pista. Sadly, F8 just doesn’t move me the same way. Tons and tons of cool cars out there. I love my Performante, and my 812 is currently on the boat. I’ve loved every mile of my F12. I am at the top of the list for the Aventador replacement (assuming they ever replace the Aventador). The 720S will be so cheap by next fall, that it might make sense to add one of those into the mix. Looks like it will be many years before I will be able to put a mid-engine Ferrari in the garage.
     
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  24. SoCal to az

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    I think there are so many great cars out there- if you missed out on the Pista- the next one will be along soon.
     
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  25. Lukeylikey

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    I am pretty certain that the number of Pista and Spider will have been the subject of a very detailed discussion inside Maranello many months/years ago. Since they needed to make room/time for BB and LB could not be delivered soon enough, instead of extending Pista beyond the ideal production number they produced the F8, an unusual interim model, thereby filling production slots at the factory for the next few years but maintaining Pista’s exclusivity at the level they originally deemed desirable. So whatever the number is, it should be what they believe is the right amount to protect Pista’s value and reputation in the marketplace. They no doubt make larger profits from the track-special cars so it makes no sense to be too greedy and ruin a very good earner for the longer term.
     
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  26. LVP488

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    I would argue though that they apparently decided to delay the F8 production, maybe to make room for more Pista before 2020 and new emissions rules.
    The 488 was unveiled in March 2015 and first deliveries were in September 2015 (just after the factory summer break), while for the F8 (also presented in March at Geneva) they delay the first deliveries to Q1 2020.
    It's certainly on purpose, it cannot be more difficult to switch the production line between 488 and F8 than between 458 and 488.
    I'm also curious to see whether people eventually getting the BB will put second hand Pistas on the market (we're some time away to know, obviously).
     
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  27. Solid State

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    This seems to be the logical opinion. Then again another thousand or more Pista's during the F8 run would not even be noticed and may be too profitable to pass up. Who knows with any certainty the exact number of these cars especially if not limited editions. Wouldn't limit the demand until perhaps the replacement is near and you see an unusual amount of used show up on the market. Even then most sell back to the dealer where the price can be kept at whatever level is appropriate like the Speciale.
     

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