How much of a poseur are you?

To the OP:

Perhaps I am missing your point here; it seems to me you are not describing various degrees of being a "poseur;" rather you are talking about one's affinity for a particular choice of transmission.

What would one's transmission choice have to do with determining the degree to which they are attempting to portray themselves as being something which they are not (that is what a "poseur" does)?

Attempting to pass off a kit car as a Ferrari would qualify; your example does not.

Obviously you have an agenda, and your post should be considered with that in mind.
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I think I will throw up now.

 

Ok I agree with one thing in this post.

85% of Ferrari owners buy them to Pose.

The rest mostly bunk.

Your Boxer my friend would be left after 3 mountain corners In a properly driven 360 with flappy paddles.


My Gt3 RS is much slower than my Scud on a track. I properly can drive both as well having spent 6 years racing Porsche 911's and 997 cup cars.

The 911 is more engaging but not more fun always . With greater speed comes different aspects of fun on the track. Different brake points. Different turn in. Different areas of the track that creep up on you because you are 10mph out of the corner quicker than before.


To claim one aspect of driving takes away from the entire experience is ridiculous to say the very least.

It's great you have fun in your car at whatever speed that's fantastic. To claim your manual is superior and more engaging IMHO is not seeing even 1/8 the big Picture of a 8/10's track day or jaunt thru the mountains with your buddies.

FYI a properly driven 360 thru the Mountains rarely if ever needs to go below 100mph. Your Boxer isn't capable of holding corners and late braking like that.




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OP your nutz to group tranny types into some pole you've created.

Experience these new cars and their true abilities at speed and you'll forget in 15 corners why you ever cared about shifting. Tho shifting cars is fun. It's not a basis for comparison anymore.

 

And so, the 135,572,964 paddle vs manual thread on Fchat comes to a close.

May it rest in peace.

 

+1

 

Indeed. RIP, please...

 

+1

 

I actualy think we agree. My premise is most ferraris dont run on a track, so the paddle spped there is not relevant, and even on track at a DE event its extra speed is not so relevant. I am refering to street driving, and there to me for a sunday blast the flappy takes from the experience. Yes flappys are quicker more intense etc at 10/10ths on track..

Now a 360 will outrun a stock tired boxer for sure, trx tires are crap. Put a boxer on PS2's as mine is and the difference is not so apparent.

In accleration at least once rolling say from 50 on(a paddle will be quicker from standstill) there is no difference save that a boxer will have more drive comming out of a bend. Yes a 360 can brake later, but on the street is someone really trail braking, late apexing to the nth degree, plus pads can allow a boxer to brake consistently in any street situation.

Put aboxer on PS2's and the grip is there as is chassis dynamics. Nick Masons BBLM was significantly quicker around a track than his F40. You would be surprised what a sorted boxer can do, its mostlky down to rubber, the chassis really is good if twitchy when power released like poorche, and by modern standards the car at 3300lbs wet is quite light.

Point is on the road a manual boxer is every bit the equal of a 360, certainly in the same orbit, at least up to 9/10ths and I personaly rarely go past that on the street. To me quick street driving is like water flowing over rocks. Brakes too are easily upgradeable with great pads. there is a reason Chris Harris has gon back to driving a 512Tr on the street. These machines are as fast as any quick driver would sanely and even insanely want to go on street and fully engaging in a way a modern is not, at least intill you get a modern above 9/10ths.

As to a scud being faster thana Gt3 Rs, yes in skilled hands on track maybe, but I have seen GT3's going faster than ferraris on track. A zo6 should smoke a GT3 too, but they seldom do. Point is at this level if you want to go fast its more of a skill thing and there is always a bit faster car.

On the road where only the insane go 10/10ths for any period of time, I maintain that for a sunday drive the Gt3 is more fun and compelling than a flappy 458 at least from my limited driving experience in both.

In any event its not an us or them, how about choice in vehicles. I think for fast street drives on a sunday morning a viceral stick machine is more fun and engaging than a flappy car, in this case a 458(which is very different to a scud). Yes on track in skilled hands at 9/10 ths and above a paddle is going tobe engaging and do it. I think I said if you lived in Gerany and a few other places the "fun" of a paddle could be expolited and had on street, its just that on the modern road in the uSA is that so?

BTW I see from your name you waterski, me too, now find me a car as engaging as a great slalom run and we are talking.

 

Never going to find a smooth hard pull across the wake on a ski in a car. This I also agree with. In fact I've got a 14' Nautique 200 getting built right now. Should be here March


I'd like to flog a boxer hard once. Maybe one day. As for street driving I live in the Seattle area. I don't drive above 2/10s within 75 miles of towns. Too many people and police.

My speed is limited to tracks 90% now. I do drive my gt3 to work some. Never the Scud it's a snooze. Oh wait I made your point there. I just don't want to sell the good old 360 short its a hoot at speed and is very very well balanced.

 

I always heard the 360 was squirily at the rear, without a wing. Also have heard the a stadale is the car to have of the modern paddle cars. Even my e46 m3 with a stick seems somewhat boring/bland on the street.

I guess I am a luddite, liking my cars raw and hard so am building a SPF GT40(yes licensed Bullfighter) for track work and maybe light road use. It should be quite a step up from my lotus elise and maybe once I am dialed in there it will be time for a paddle car like a GT3, you know power speed handling and grip all in one package.

Like you most of my speed these days is on track, but there is still a joy to be had from a casual sunday drive, a boxer entertains a 5/10ths and can go hard when caned. In fact to go fast in boxer you feel as though you have to grab it by the scruff and push, you have to work for your speed, its not efortless, any speed even 30 requires some effort, wish ferrari would build something for the street(ie modern USA roads) similarily entertaining, and yet still be trackable, which is a struggle in a boxer.

Fortunatly where I live there are still some great open twisty roads, and the local carbinari are at Church on a sunday, or if they happen to pass you, generaly appreciate machineary not being driven like a jcakass, even if the pace is a bit quick. Cant see really using a car faster than the boxer on the street, and still like to just wake in the morning and go for a drive, whereas the track is fun but an expedituion and its all about max speed at the limit, as opposed the water flowing over rocks theme on the street.

The easy solution is a motorcycle, but as I get older the downside risks seem ever larger and I ride less.

 

If you had 50% manual and 50% DCT cars available in every model .... which type of transmission would most of the poseurs gravitate towards? It's not about which is better. It is about which is easier for a poseur or non-car guy (gal) to drive.

 

I go to Cars & Coffee after hand washing the car and taking sunset photos at the beach. Then I park it in the garage, whip out the steering wheel and race it for an hour on Forza Motorsports - because she's a track car. Then I go around and tell people how loose the rear end gets at a 80mph decreasing radius corner and how I power slide it out of Laguna Seca cork screw at full scream.... virtually.

Virtual Poseur - in video games I only like to drive cars I own in real life.

 

I own a CS and did own a 360 spider years ago. It's not much different out of the corners with the exception the CS will break free faster as it does feel lighter in the ars.

Ferrari did offer if you wanted a manual for years in the 360 and only a handful chose it.

Breaking the rear end free out of the bottom of the corkscrew isn't very easy unless you have 600-700hp. The cars weight and road angle allows you to hook up with almost everything you've got in most cars.

 

By definition, a poseur attempts to pass himself off as being something he is not.

The relevant inquiry must be "What are the attributes of a NON-POSEUR Ferrari owner?"

Is participation in track day a prerequisite?

I am fairly new to Ferraris, but am a "car guy."

I've never raced (although I enjoy watching racing): am I thereby damned as a poseur?

I have some authentic Ferrari flags up in the garage, and often drink coffee from a Ferrari logoed cup: must I wear the hair shirt of a poseur?

It seems to me that if someone has the bucks to buy a Ferrari, they are not a poseur: how could they logically be accused of trying to pass themselves off as a Ferrari owner when in fact they already own one?

 

You're a poseur if you bought a Ferrari hoping it would get you laid.


You're in a sad state if it takes a Ferrari to get you laid.

 

I feel like I'm back in high school reading this thread.

 

+1, sounds like the 'Bowling for Soup' song, 'High School Never Ends'.

 

If a Ferrari, your Ferrari, GETS you laid, then the opinions of others don't mean $***.

Sometimes it takes a nice suit, a good pair of shoes, or a nice car to get women to give a guy a chance. There's nothing wrong with that.

In my case women didn't give me a second look either way…

 

Well it says you are a surgeon. Take off your mask so they can see you.

That always helps.

 

You never know which thread will gain traction.