The poseur idea comes from the biker lifestyle and people like me (once upon a time) buying a Harley Davidson and becoming a "biker" . Hard core bikers would say I was a poseur because I was not really the rebel they were. I did not ride my bike in bad weather nor did I go to Sturgis. I had a profession and earned more than they ever would. But I know that anyone who has ever driven a bike has a sense of respect for other bikers because of the skill and attention required to ride safe. Who is anyone to judge another person because of what they buy or like . I accept that some people , many of you, know everything there is about Ferrari whereas I do not. I accept many of you deeply appreciate the empire Enzo built and the racing history, whereas to me its not important. Am I a poseur because one day I give in and buy a Ferrari? without a solid grounding in what makes a Ferrari what it is. ? To those who think so, I could care less. The only entrance fee is the price of the car and then anyone who has the dough or makes the payments gets to play. Whether they appreciate or care about the marque is irrelevant.
Actualy your self description is of someone not a poseur. A poseur is to me someone with over reverance for ferrari and cant drive for crap, or someone with a ferrari who is really clueless about the driving part but tools around ina ferrari as an afirmation of weath or sucess. As to Bikers. Lets face it there are lots of peopel on harley who are pretending to be somethign they are not. There are also lots of harley riders, who just liek to ride for whatever reason, they are not poseurs. But yeah harley like ferrari has a high poseur quotient, although to ride abike you already need some skill, unlike drivign a modern ferrari.
Not knocking the 456, it was the first really good looking ferrari in a long time, one could say classicaly shaped, in fact it took untill the 458 for ferrari to make another visualy appealing car. I would love to know what it takes to have a 456 be a relaible car. The prices are great and have considdered them on a few occasions. A freind had a M and it was 10-15k per year to sort and run, which is 3x a boxer. The 456 threads are somewhat fightening with codes and cylinder banks going etc. Its ort of like the 355, some say once sorted they are great, but there is a world of horror stories, maybe the knowledge of how to sort a 456 and what it takes is not well known yet. Great everyday and touring car. I thought it was a little soft, ps and fast when caned but no real hit. Not sure its the modern car though, to me more classical as is the 550, or at least they are bridge cars. Would love one as a near daily.
Honestly this poseur thing is just a stupid label and I have no idea why you guys even bother to waste time with this thread. Look at all the classic cars in collections or at Pebble Beach. They get driven maybe 10 miles a year. Are all those people posers or just enthusiasts who love what they own and want to preserve it? Everyone has their own reasons for buying a classic or exotic. LET THEM --and stop being judgmental already. You look small minded and petty if you can't accept someone else's view other than your own about car ownership.
Many of those people at concours events are curator/collectors who are not seeking to create a misleading image about who or what they are. A curator/museum collector is just that--a collector. And a good many of them are drivers and enthusiasts. Many of them have driver's cars in addition to the collector cars, cars that they do drive with regularity. So your statement needs a bit of clarification. It is when the collector who is only a collector (and doesn't do anything else with cars) attempts to represent themselves other than a collector that he becomes a poseur. See above. Exactly. And some of those motives include posing for the effect of attention due to one's own inner poverty of character. In other words if you're ok with yourself then why pretend to be something and then piously foist it upon others? No one is not letting anyone do something. Moreover, a poseur cannot be stopped anyway. It is elemental like air, wind, fire, and earth. Almost everyone becomes a poseur at one time or another, particularly during adolescence. I've done it in earnest. The question is: Have you evolved past that stage?
I don't have a 456 and have only heard about them and it seems the main weakness of that car is the transmission. Is this true? I, too, have heard they are like 355 in running costs to keep sorted. Is this also actually true?
You fit category "3" mostly with some fragrances of a "4"--a good thing Read the first post in the thread
His agenda is to be the center of attention on this thread. And if you look at the number of his posts, he has succeeded.
Failing to plan is planning to fail--agenda firmly established Of course I have an agenda! I've already stated that in post #103: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142853882-post103.html
Actualy I think a lot of people called collectors are actualy hoarders, and do things like pbble for ego gratication. A collector is someone who has the good taste to buy somethign before it becomes a "name". I see lots of people overestoring cars to win pebble, the car is just the vector to the owner being the winner, that is not collecting.
+1 Great points, too. There are a lot of collectors who are self-appointed hoarders in disguise. The cars for them fill the void of their empty inner character. They fit closely a "1" in the categories. So the categories can be expanded now into subcategories: How much of a hoarder are you? And then we have the 1, 2, 3, 4 levels of hoarding--from total hoarding for ego gratification and emptiness to a true collector who has a museum. Very interesting, boxerman
The question is only whether you feel like a poseur. Nothing else matters. Cars are to be enjoyed. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk
Sure. To add, many poseurs cut themselves off from feeling like one. That is often how they continue to be one. This scene reveals how one can be forced to face that they are a poseur, by George Lucas: Must Be Your Mama's Car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2OoxzYqgNY
I thought about this while out and about this morning. The missing category is for folks who enjoy the unique pleasure of driving the best car in the world (no disrespect to others). I have been exceptionally lucky to marry a girl tough enough to put up with me, and cool enough to encourage me to actually go to the dealer and buy one. Things worked out beyond my dreams professionally, which allowed me to make such an illogical and illustrious means of transportation. How others may see me, or what they may think when I show up in the reddest car they've ever seen, doesn't concern me too much. I'm sensitive to how they might feel, though, and have had a number of conversations with folks about sticking with their dreams, from which anything can happen. From that mindset, here's my thoughts about posing, poseuing, poseusing and related themes: The missing category in the pseudopoll is a 5, someone who: Has experienced a variety of cars (and motorcycles if desired), enjoys a gated shifter, but also appreciates a DCT & how much fun it can be to run through the gears; Enjoys the waves and comments from others, but sometimes wonders why people in the next car are staring at you before you remember what you're driving; Washes, waxes and cleans their own car, and has bought at least three ridiculous things to help do that work in ways that don't scratch the paint surface; and, Someone who will drive it for more than shows, drives or special occasions. What brought this all to mind was how many people have posted on this thread (still a mystery to me) and also how much fun groceries are when done in style... Image Unavailable, Please Login
Dave at SRI in Boulder sorted mine out: his gold pin connector kit, new fuse box and other fixes have given me a reliable car. Give them a call.
Very nice. Thanks for sharing and showing your nice car. You'd be generally a "3" (a more balanced enthusiast) per the OP. And your clarifications and great and noted.
Where is the cockhead poseur that pulls 6 point U turns on busy streets and equips it with a chirping alarm, not for the security but to alert every ***** and her dog walking by whilst kicking back drinking soy milk cafe lattes? Same prick that turns his head to the side and squints when opening his door like there's something interesting to look at over there. PS. Get subscribed again VH. Always enjoyed your P&R comments.
LOL!!! hahha thanks for that shout out I often thought everyone hated my views--the ilbs thought I was conservative, and the conservatives thought I was a lib LOL. But you may just have convinced me to return (as that is really what a subscription pays for, to post in P&R and get chewed out). Thanks, buddy Cheers.
Similar here. I have an "official" Ferrari Puma merchandising t-shirt and I don't even have a Ferrari. I'm a total fake, acting as a human advertisement.