How much of a threat to Ferrari is the new Z06?

there is already a thread on this about 20 pages deep


https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/the-c8-z06-corvette-sounds-more-ferrari-than-ferrari.641494/

 

I dont think it matters, corvettes will never, ever , ever be as incredible looking as a Ferrari, its that simple. OH I paid so much less for my chevy, which is faster than your Ferrari, well I say, who gives a F^^^ !! lol PS. the only good thing about the new c8, is that it has no push rods, I think Im correct.

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i think its a threat to all makes. similar to what the NSX was when it came out but Ferraris will always be lusted after.

 

I don't care what nameplate is on the front of the car or steering wheel. It could be a bow-tie, it could be a horse, or it could be a cockroach. If the car is beautifully designed, well engineered, drives great and makes me feel good, then its a winner. I doubt I'll ever have a Z06 in my garage (or a F8 for that matter), but I'm pretty flippin' enamored with the new Z06. Pure horsepower and lateral G wars are boring, so to stick my nose in the air and claim Ferrari superiority in category 'A' or metric 'B' seems myopic.

Personally, YES, I think Ferrari will need to up their game in build quality to match just about anything from Chevrolet -- like they did with the NSX. The stuff that I sell for modern Ferraris is downright depressing and nobody should accept a car that can't go 15,000 miles on wheel bearings, variator solenoids, accessory belt pulleys, etc.

The Ferrari 296 needs to be a runaway success in terms of quality, and price/performance. I'm betting it will be. And then some.

 

I say Zero because when all said and done it’s still a chevy


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It seems to me that Chevy is offering the only V8 na, with fpc no less, in a sports car today. If you have been on this forum long enough, you would know the preference for na high rpm sound was the Fcar signature for years. Today, if that’s what ur looking for in a mid engine platform, seems like the zo6 is the only game in town. So, yes, they will be taking buyers from other brands.

 

Just out of curiosity, do you see the same thing with Lamborghini? I wonder if it’s an Italian thing or more of a Ferrari thing.

The Z06 will take some money away from Ferrari but not that much. I don’t think most people buying new Ferraris have performance as their main motivation.

 

Modern Lamborghinis (Audi-era) absolutely raised the 'quality game' for Ferrari. It sure as heck wasn't the other way around.

Ferrari is world-leading in engineering and design -- and I love love love it. They suck the llamas ass when it comes to build quality.

I'd love to be proven wrong, in the very near future.

 

Ferrari is going to be a small more compact more stylish car. It too will sound great and with the hybrid there will be no turbo lag.
On a twisty mountain road it will also prbably be better to steer. It will also be notably lighter, which if you go tot he track is simply better.
Realisticaly no one or close to no one tracks a modern ferrari, theyre prohibitive to run, and theyre not that durable on track. Ferraris are therefore ultimately cool machines that are primarily status symbols which are rarely if ever used to their full capability, a vette is not a threat to that market niche.

I have no doubt the 296 will stylisticay be more than a few notches above the vette both exteruor and interiuor, its Italain design. Its paper performace will be better and it will sound supreme. However those paper metrics are all so extreme now that the differences are ones of stats more than real world performance.

Since the era of Luca ferraris have become both more acomplished and blandly useable, abandoning the driving enthusiast in the search for a wider acceptance and more margin on options to boomers. The vette its going after the Driver in z06 form, which in the 2ks means those who track..

If youre primarily a driver, well time was when a ferrari really was built differently and a performance paradigm better than other cars, they offered something for the driver others didnt and ferrari did it better. Thats simply not the case anymore, there are any number of competitors in more or less the same performance orbit and if youre a driver some who do it better, Gt3 porches as a perfect example. To that list we can now add chevrolet who build a car you can use more of the time, notably on track which is where modern perfomance is used. None of these competitors have ferrari brand status or their styling.

Corvette while now being an "exotic" does not have the styling purity or harmony of a ferrari. Its going to miss out on a bunch of little details that make euro products so appealing and it does not have the badge/status( to the extent thats relevant). However the vette at this point its far more of the serious drivers car, the type ferrari used to build, not least because its a car you can take to the track and reasonably run it and it has THE powerplant. Today an exotic you cant track, its a status symbol, a really cool trinket.

This site and market market numbers indicate most ferrari owners are obsessed with paint correction, staying below 5k miles and "investment value" Possibly a few dont care, and even those choose to track somehting more suitable.


The downsides of the corvette are its size, crude deatils and 500lbs extra weight which is going to burn tires and brakes and not really the way to go. At 100k thats a lot of tires to burn, and it will have a warrantlky and last.

The corvette is a threat to ferrari only to the extent ferrari wnast to reclan a driver mantle which the past 15 years of products and sales indicate they dont or need to.
Ferrari could have made a new Dino, sometthing in the mold of the Mc20 but smaller lighter, they simply dont care about purist drivers anymore.

In the end though the size and outre styling of the vette, its more like a lamborghini that works and one that handles like a Gt3 porche.
The vette is no threat to ferrari because the traditional ferrari buyer driver decamped from ferrari long ago, and the vette cannot offer the styling or status which is a customer niche ferrari owns where the vette will never tread. It would be great though if the vette woke ferrari up from its brand arrogance and they made car for the driver again, just because they feel like maybe they should. CF tub under 3000lbs NA minimal frippery and under 300k.

 

Ill bet they know how to do suspension too.

 

would be interesting to see how thw z06 engine finishes in the engine of the year ballots.

 

The easy way out is forcefed turbos/supercharging or hybrid flywheels all of which have compromises(forcefed) or cost $$$$(hybrid), this time vette did it right, bravo.

 

It's still a F----ing GM product. Enough said.

 

^ reminding you that GM make the magna ride suspension for Ferrari. in other words, Ferrari buys GM suspensions.

 

Given a chance I will add a Z06 convertible to my stable which includes a Ferrari 458 Spider.

Obviously I have not seen the new Z06 let alone driven it, but the Ferrari is almost certainly the keeper if I could only have one.

 

Very impressed with the 5.5L v8 that they put out and like all Z06’s it will perform, but that highlighter yellow press car they’re parading around just looks like the “Great Value” brand version of a Ferrari or Lamborghini.


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The GM car is for daily driving and value conscious buyers. Ubiquitous on the highways. None of which is similar to Ferrari or other exotics.

 

That point can’t be ignored but isn’t generally accepted when considering the Ford GT for example.

 

I do believe people will cross shop.
I am part of a large Ferrari enthusiast group, and we drive our cars and we love Ferrari. Two guys bought C8s (Z51) and both say the exact same thing: they enjoy their ‘vettes more than their 458/488s. Now turn the wick up on the Z06, which they are ordering, and I’d say their Ferrari’s are pretty much kicked out the door.
As for me personally? I’m a huge Ferrari nut. My choice going forward for mid-engined sports car seems to be:
A) Ferrari with V6 hybrid, turbos, GPF, and sound like a Dyson vacuum.
B) A Z06 with NA 5.5L screamer with no GPF, 0-60 in ~2.6 sec, and no mileage concerns.
Ummmm....I’ll be strongly strongly considering option B).
Though it might be easier getting my hands on a 296 over a Z06 ironically enough.

 

I seriously doubt Ferrari are remotely worried about the new vet, or any vet for that matter. Totally different market points in my view.

Mclaren and Lamborghini; yes, but a vet, no.

 

IMO if you place no value on cachet then the C8 is a formidable Ferrari competitor for a mid-engine sports car. Comparable performance and sound with (yes) lower maintenance costs and much lower price. But despite the giant leap by GM, what keeps me away is the boy racer video console interior and the Kardashian-esque giant rear flanks and tortured rear end design (front half looks great though). I don’t know if it’s possible for GM to style a car that can appeal to mature buyers accustomed to Ferrari classic styling and also the 20/30-something F&F crowd that clearly is part of their target market. Oh, not being able to see the engine on the convertible is also a non-starter for me.