How much stronger do the QVs feel over the 2V cars?

2V is plenty of power and fun, I don't think you'll really notice the difference between the two, unless you're up up around 7-8000 rpm then that's where 4v might be noticeable. If you're not racing or tracking it you'll be satisfied with the 2V. So go see it, look at the latest service record and ask the owner if you can drive it assuming it's safe to do so and let us know.

 

Doesn't two valve mean scary sodium valves?

 

This is exactly how I would categorize my experiences driving each.

 

LOL!

 

i"ve driven 2v and a 77 carb. If you're looking for pure power, imo, the 308 isn't the car. All of them are plenty fast, mind you, but obviously there are much more reliable and powerful cars available in more modern models. You get a 308 because you love Ferrari 308s!

 

QVs are better cars for more reasons than just power, especially the 84s and 85s. They have 16 inch wheels, no smog pump and effective rust proofing. I found the power difference to be very noticeable as well.

Dave

 

Yeah, I always thought the fuel injected 2V cars were the worst of the entire 308 run:

* not as much noise or umph as the carb cars.

* 1st iteration of fuel injection, so you know that was gonna get better on later cars.

* not as much grunt as 4V or 328 cars.

* smaller wheels.

Magazine articles at the time really panned the Mondial 2V cars as S L O W. Yes, those are a bit heavier than the 308, but you can kinda get the picture.

Not to mention, as Dave/Hardtop pointed out, the 308 4V had other misc. improvements as well.

 

Strange, my '80 308 GTBi has 16" wheels and no smog pump nor cats. Plus I'm glad not to be saddled with Lambda circuitry which doesn't contribute to the car's enjoyment but adds unreliability. I don't drive over 120 so can't find a power difference.

No matter what you have, it's the best, or you wouldn't have it. But that doesn't make it better for anyone else.

 

Yeah, My 2v has 16 inch wheels, no smog pump, in fact, it's got euro heads and headers, so NO emissions equip at all. I've also got stainless valves, 3 angle valve job, and 10:1, .20 over... so, I might not have a typical 2vl...

That said, I don't think you'll be disappointed in the "fun factor" of a 2v over a 4v. Neither is a fast car. I drove my 308 after driving my DD BMW and was shocked at how slow it felt. BUT... I also had so much more fun and felt so much spunkier driving the 308 than my "faster cars."

You really have to like the car for what it is; if that's the case, it doesn't really matter if one has 10 or so more hp. You'll enjoy it.
They are all Ferrari's so they are all that much more special than any other car that is a) faster, b) more reliable, c) cheaper, d) less headache, e) easier to hot rod, f) easier to work on, g) easier to get parts for... You see where I'm going with this.

If it's a good car get it and don't look back.

 

My '82 2V goes just as fast as my later 4V. Both are about as fast as a new Toyota.

I certainly won't be missing those extra 16 valves when it comes to valve job time for the '82...

 

yes, all 2v cars had the sodium valves. 4v cars do not. these cars are getting old. lack of valve job in service history is a big minus for me as a buyer on any 2v car.

having several carb cars, and a euro QV, i still think a QV, euro at least has way more oomph than a USA smog 2v car. that's not to say the 2v cannot be fun to drive, but i think it depends almost car to car for the comparison to be valid. not all QV's are going to drive nice, ditto for the 2v cars.

i guess it depends on price. a nice 2v car for just under $20k would be nice, Qvs are going for $22-$25 for quick sales right now. cross $25k and you will still have the car in the winter for sale, in this market anyway.

 

If the engine in the 308 is anything like other old engines, the 2v should actually be stronger at lower RPM than the 4v version.

 

Can't say anything directly about the 2v injected cars but I can say the euro QVs are surprisingly quicker than their US counterparts and I've always heard those feel quite a bit quicker than the 2v cars. So take it FWIW, none of them are drag cars and ALL of them are Ferraris. I considered a 2v car when I was shopping for one reason - performance upgrades. A 2v car with Nick's help will outrun a QV pretty easily if that's what you're after, for less all-in than buying a nice QV. But in the end it's not about outright power anyway, it's about having fun in a Ferrari.

 

For just normal having a fun day driving I dont think its really going to be enough to worry about. Go buy the car and have some fun. Thats really what its all about.

Yeah, you can rehash all the stuff about this or that or whatever, but in the end neither car is going to be super fast by todays standards. If the car seems solid and has been taken care of then snap it up. The good cars are getting fewer and farther between and THAT is more important than whether it has 2 or 4 valves.

Just my opinion....


PDG

 

Easy,,,,just get a 328

 

Lets face it, everyone will vote for what they own as being the best car to have.


I recently drove a very well setup euro QV and it was overall much "tighter" than my 78 carby. It also seemed to spin up easier, whereas the 2V seemed to work harded.

One of the best looking cars on these boards is fchatter "euroquattro".

I would rather have a Euro QV than my carby.

That said, what I like about the carbed cars is a) now i konw how to work on one b) with all the emissions off, test pipes, and a tubi, its about a raw as you can get, and driving it has a really slick feel

 

I don't know what the huff's about, a Ford F-150 can run down and hang with any of these cars...

Just get what you want and drive the wheels off it!

 

in the twisties?

 

Just ask Rob!

 

2V should be plenty of fun. You don't want to pushing a 25+ year old car to the limits anyhow. Unless your going all out racing that 20 less horsepower shouldn't matter and if your going racing you don't want to do it in a 25 year old Ferrari.

These new little japenese 4 cylinders have more horsepower than any of the 308's, I've heard you can chip up an Evo or WRX to over 400 HP, so if you really want to go fast get something like that.

 

The sodium valve thing is a funny issue - I've run sodium valves in ferraris and alfas for many, many years and never had a problem. My other alfa and ferrari buddies have had the same experience.

Has anyone here ever had a sodium valve actually break?

(not asking about wear rates or seal failure etc.)