How to clone a black remote fob ....

Gobble,

I've bought it on german eBay, Euro spec (like my 550)!

Stefano

 

Is this the solution for on-board programming?
http://www.mcumall.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=4406

By the way, if anyone is considering buying their own programmer, don't buy the true USB willem. I replaced my universal willem with this because it is supposed to be easier to use and I can't properly read the 93C46 chips with it. I need to go buy another universal willem.

 

I think I will buy one of those for Eric if he wants one. He is 100% on soldering so far, but this will make it even easier.

About one more red fob and PIN and we will be able to discern the PIN in the red fob EEPROM read-out, I think.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Is there a way to imobilize the imobilizer? I suppose the whole pont of the system is to prevent that from happening. I hate these fob things... beeping and batteries and hassles.

However, if I must, a clone it will be.

 

Some of the earlier cars, yes. I do not have any specifics on who can do the work, though.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Eric- I have a red and PIN coming from an owner I helped. Will send both to you when they arrive.

The new owner of the set of three we produced is very happy and had no trouble programming the ECU to accept them.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Yes, that blue clip looks just like the one I'm using (I made the adapter cable myself). But cut the wires to pins 6 and 7 to avoid read/write problems when connecting to the EPROM on-board!

Stefano

 

And I went back to the old version of the Willem programmer and everything works fine again.

 

Someone told me you were having problems. Back in action again?

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Yep, I bought a new programmer that was supposed to be better and easier to use and sold the old one on Ebay. The new one had trouble with some of the 94C46 chips. I bought a "new" old one and it works fine, cloned one last night and it worked just fine.

 

For those who don't have the original PIN, it seems it might be possible to read it from the ECU with this device:

http://autocheery_alice.en.ecplaza.net/8.asp

On the 550 it seems stored on a 24C04 EEPROM, on the 360 and 575 on a 24C02, very similar devices to those inside the key fobs.
In fact, if you were prepared to open the ECU you could probably read the content of the chip on-board with the same setup used to read the key fobs.

The only question remains of course - where do you find the PIN among the 4Kbits of data that the 24C04 holds???

Any thoughts?
Stefano

 

Stefano- We are just at the point where we think we can read the PIN in the red fob. There is a lot more data in the ECU, so no clue.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

That's good news Terry!

If the PIN is known and it is not crypted in the ECU's 24Cxx immobilizer chip, it should be easy to find. After all it only contains 4kbits=512 characters...

Stefano

 

Eric, This is my first thread cause I am new to FerrariChat.

I have an 03 360 with two red remotes one that works and one that doesen't, I have read alot of the threads and understand the programing of a new three remote package, but wanted to know if I can program, clone, the other red remote to be a slave.

I have the original pin and was worred that I might install the pin from the non working red remote accidentally then be SOL.

Or am I going to have to buy a black remote?
Could you explain to me how to do this? also if I have to buy a black remote can I use say one from ebay? and go through the original set up to program it?

If there have been other black remotes programed before will the ecu except more remotes?
Lots of questions for my first time. Thanks
Danny

 

Danny- There is no difference between a black and red remote internally. The only difference is what is written to the erasable EPROM in each fob. If your other red remote still illuminates the red LED when depressed, it can be cloned to your operating red remote that does work. You would then have two red remotes with the same PIN inside, not that having the PIN inside makes any difference.

There is no way to accidentally do anything with your inoperative red remote. The PIN in your operating red fob is also in the Alarm ECU. During normal day to day use, the PIN is not employed at all by the Alarm ECU. After original programming for a three fob set, the PIN in the red fob is not used at all. Its initial transmission to the Alarm ECU during programming is the only time a PIN in a red fob is used. After that initial programming, the Alarm ECU only looks for PIN IDs and the rolling codes in the fobs' EEPROMs.

Read this and see if you have any more questions.

Taz
Terry Phillips
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Thanks Terry and Eric, I still have questions... So for me to use my second red remote... can I program it by using the orginal pin and red remote and go through the programing setup, or will I have to get it cloned another way? If I can do this can I add one another black remote at that time?

Terry in your attachment on (how to program) It says a red fob and it's pin can only be used to program the alarm ECU to except a matched set of three alarm fobs.The red fob cannot be used to program the alarm ecu to except other black alarm fobs that were NOT part of a matching set of three fobs. Danny

 

You asked the question and answered it directly from Terry's document. The fobs come as a matched set. You can not mix and match fobs so you can not program another black with your red. You can not program 2 red fobs into a system.

You can have your fob cloned so you have 2 fobs. You can purchase a set of fobs and use the PIN to program the new set.

 

John is correct. Read the document and it explains all that in dumb fighter jock language, because that is what I am.

Eric can clone your extra red fob to your working red fob. You have no other options with the extra red fob except to sell it and use the funds towards a new matched set of three fobs with new PIN.

Taz
Terry phillips

 

Just to be completely complete : yes any number of blacks or reds can be cloned to your red

Do not forget your sole original needs to be sent for the cloning so find three or four weeks you do not intend to use the car

 

Thanks for the info, I did read it, I guess I could have saved everyone a lot of grief if I had known the difference between cloneing and programing... duh.
Danny

 

No problem.

Programmed is associating the fob with the car's alarm system.

Cloned is taking it apart and changing the program in the fob to match another fob. It is now an identical twin to the other fob. Hence the term cloned.

 

Please forgive my ignorance. I own a 2000 360/US spec. I only have one working remote (black). I took a chance and purchased a red FOB from Ebay. I bought a new key from my dealer. I do not have my PIN. It seems I need an act of congress in order to get my PIN. Can I get my new red FOB programmed? If so, by who? I will be happy to pay for this service. My nearest dealer is over 250 miles away. This is a very irritating problem for me. Any help is appreciated.