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How to Drive 360 F1

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by itan, Apr 17, 2007.

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  1. itan

    itan Rookie

    Apr 17, 2007
    6
    Hi,

    I just recently bought a 360 with F1 transmission.
    Can anyone please give me some pointer on how to drive the thing :)

    1. Do I release my foot from the acceleration when changing gear?
    2. At what rpm do I change gear?

    I am able to drive quite smoothly in normal driving, but only when I tried to drive in high acceleration, I get confused on the above.

    Any suggestion would be much appreciated.

    Thank you in advance
     
  2. rcallahan

    rcallahan F1 Rookie
    Owner

    Jul 15, 2002
    3,307
    Santa Barbara
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    Bob Callahan
    To drive aggressively, keep your foot planted on the gas peddle (do not lift) between upshifts.
     
  3. itan

    itan Rookie

    Apr 17, 2007
    6
    Hi rcallahan, thank you for your reply..

    When i do that... most of the times the car will jumped a few times before it get steady.. do you experience things like this before..? and maybe do u know how should i correct my self when doing that?

    Thank you so much
     
  4. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

    Apr 12, 2007
    728
    California
    Congrats itan! I am also a new 360 F1 owner. Got mine last week.

    Just like you, I also experience the back and forth jerking in first gear under moderate acceleration while my foot is keeping the accelerator in a steady position. This happens whether in sport mode or not. Am I driving it wrong or is there something wrong with the car? It's very embarassing to be seen driving like a moron in a F car!

    Here's a clue: when the car is in neutral, the engine is revved to 3000 RPM and the accelerator held there, the RPM fluctuates up and down by several hundred and gradually steadies after a few seconds. Does your 360 do that?

    I'm taking my car to a dealer today to have it checked out, and will post the results.
     
  5. red355

    red355 Formula Junior

    Jan 30, 2007
    296
    Pa
    That is common in manual cars in 1st gear. All that an F1 trans is, is a computer controlled manual. I wouldn't be worried about it.
     
  6. itan

    itan Rookie

    Apr 17, 2007
    6
    thanks guys.. congrats to vm3 too!!

    i knoww!!! i was feeling sooooooo fool to be seen as a moron driving my Ferrari , accelarate it in a traffic light.. and then the car jumps a few times!! gosh that was m embarassing moment!

    could you please let me know how it goes with the dealer after you checking it up?

    and with regards to when the car is in neutral, the engine is revved to 3000 RPM and the accelerator held there, the RPM fluctuates up and down by several hundred and gradually steadies after a few seconds. ..i dont think my 360 does that...but i'll pay more attention to it tmrw and let u know.

    i was reading lots of thread on this forum.. and most of them say that its quite normal for this car to be jerky from 1st to 2nd gear.. but i wasnt expected that so was really disspointed when i experience that.. so it will be much appreciated if you could let me know how u goes with the dealer and maybe there's certain tricks to do it rite... :)
     
  7. mgtr1990

    mgtr1990 Formula 3

    Mar 30, 2005
    1,580
    Naples Florida
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    Martin Graham
    There are several threads that deal with this issue, I got my 360 2 months ago and it was my first F1 **** car. The majority of people will say dont lift off the throttle I have found that not lifting off but easing up on the pressure and making sure that you are at the correct Revs will make the shifts smoother. There are parameters that can be adjusted on the TCU or there is a TCU upgrade that was aimed at resolving some of the early shift parameter issues.
     
  8. itan

    itan Rookie

    Apr 17, 2007
    6
    thanks so much mgtr1990! will give it a try tommorow. would you be able to share with us from your experience.. \At what rpm do I change gear from 1st to 2nd the best? thanks again
     
  9. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

    Apr 12, 2007
    728
    California
    I took my 360 to FoSV today. I'll post the results after I get it back this Friday.

    The jerking I experienced occurs only in 1st gear under moderate acceleration, not when changing gears. I can drive it smoothly by accelerating slowly, but that's not what a F car is for!
     
  10. mgtr1990

    mgtr1990 Formula 3

    Mar 30, 2005
    1,580
    Naples Florida
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    Martin Graham
    I personally only use 1st gear to get the car moving and clutch full engaged say the 2200 RPMs then shift to 2 for any meaningful accelaration
     
  11. itan

    itan Rookie

    Apr 17, 2007
    6
    thanks a lot mgtr1990!! hope to hear from vm3 too after friday ;)
     
  12. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

    Apr 12, 2007
    728
    California
    Got my 360 back from FoSV with Tubi installed. Now it sounds like a Ferrari!

    They tested the engine and F1 computers but found no problems. The car was driven and found to drive normally. When I picked it up, the shop foreman took a ride with me. I showed him the fluctuating RPM in neutral. He had no explanation for that. We took a short drive and I tried to reproduce the jerking but couldn't. Nevertheless, he said he knew exactly what I was talking about. There is a known issue with the engine management system: under a certain throttle setting, the car lurches back and forth. The factory engineers are aware of it but are unable to provide a solution. The only thing drivers can do is avoid that particular throttle setting. The foreman also confirmed that the transmission can be left in 1st gear when at a stop light.

    As to your original questions, there is no need to lift when changing up or down. For optimum fuel economy, change gear at low RPM to keep the car cruising at about 2500. For better acceleration, change gear at higher RPM.

    By the way, there was a F40 at the shop. It was to be placed in storage for the owner, and will be driven occasionally to keep it healthy. I offered to do it for them but was turned down!
     
  13. ZINGARA 250GTL

    ZINGARA 250GTL F1 World Champ
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    Jun 21, 2002
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    Steady pressure while upshifting ,regardless of rpm, is what I was advised to do when I had my usual post sale talk with the chief mechanic. Foot off accelerator when downshifting. Nonetheless, it takes some getting used to and bucking from 1st to 2d is common. After some practice this all goes away. Most likely no harm done. You are smart for asking. Now, go have some fun. Cheers.
     
  14. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

    Apr 12, 2007
    728
    California
    I'm still frequently getting back and forth jerking in first gear under moderate acceleration, but not under light or hard acceleration. It is getting extremely annoying. I read in a magazine review that the F430 does it too. People -- including me -- only put up with this because it is a Ferrari. Any lessor car will be called a piece of junk.
     
  15. ZINGARA 250GTL

    ZINGARA 250GTL F1 World Champ
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    Jun 21, 2002
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    Steady pedal pressure requires a bit of practice and patience. I've been there. Not anymore.



     
  16. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Nov 20, 2002
    17,673
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    Pete
    Convert to normal gearshift.

    This was done to a racing 360 in Australia where they found it impossible to launch successfully and actually be in a serious race ... instead of just mucking around on the road.
    Pete
     
  17. Simba

    Simba Formula Junior

    Oct 24, 2006
    779
    New York
    Uh, what? In the dozen or so manual cars I've owned, three of which were/are Ferraris, they've never done anything of the sort, nor should they unless you're specifically trying to lurch the car with the throttle, or simply can't drive.

    I have seen several F1 cars do this, however. The solution is to buy a manual. :p
     
  18. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

    Apr 12, 2007
    728
    California
    Based on my own experience, the comment from the dealer shop foreman, and the comments here, there is clearly a flaw in the F1 transmission that is causing the lurching.
     
  19. mgtr1990

    mgtr1990 Formula 3

    Mar 30, 2005
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    Martin Graham
    There is a TCU Transmission Control Unit upgrade available and the shift parameters can be adjusted a little to help but it still takes concentration with an F1 dont forget we all have had a lot of experience with manual transmissions and I dare say have had a couple of less than perfect gear changes with them just a thought.
     
  20. coverland

    coverland Formula 3

    Apr 22, 2007
    1,013
    Seattle
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    Colin
    I actually had the same problem with my last car *cough cough*, a Honda accord, but no F1 tranny (obviously), but I did the same thing is get it going through first and then hit the gas in second (not that the accord has the thrill known as acceleration or anything like it) ;-)

    -Colin
     
  21. rllucero

    rllucero Formula Junior

    Jul 11, 2006
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    Santa Fe/San Diego
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    richontravel
    I find this funny because my wife already calls my Ferrari a piece of junk and nothing on it has broken yet! She knows that it is just a matter of time till it does. Hey, you gotta love these cars.....
     
  22. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

    Apr 12, 2007
    728
    California
    I definitely love it, but I agree with your wife: aside from the fantastic looks and performance, most other aspects of Ferraris are inferior to even cheap mass produced cars.
     

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