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  1. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    Yes. I'm 100% one of those. Having see the technological impact of the 70's and 80's ... I'm sure you remember as well, it was exciting with each years tech improvements... now these cars are just huge spec racers... its sad. I think a simple mandate of maximum HP - 1500Hp, G limiters for the drivers + safety cell... and mandate the fuel to be used. that is it. let them innovate... put it all on the table, and put the cost cap on the whole thing. I think the more you do that the more car companies will want to play- and you will get greater competition... and it makes it much more viable for TV - and interesting.
     
  2. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I wish we could come back to the pre-1997, when times to form the grid were taken from the 3 practice sessions.
    They would have 3x1 hour sessions to experiment, fine-tune the cars, and get a time at any moment.
    That would take care of the traffic, impediments, technical glitches, changing weather conditions, etc ...
    But please, please give total freedom on tyre choice, otherwise we maintain pit strategy which is killing the sport! !!!
    If a manufacturer can make tyres that can last a whole race, so be it. Mandatory pitstops don't bring anything to racing.
    I grew at a time when GPs were run without pit stops, and they were more enjoyable that what we have now.
    Nowadays, we have armies of strategists on computers deciding tyre choice and pit stop timing, "undercuts", etc ...
    Racing is racing, let them race !!!
     
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  3. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    Agreed.... when Clark or Fangio made a pit stop, and won that was a huge story!
     
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  4. SimCity3

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    +1

    but with open fuel flow.
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    "G-limiters" worked SO WELL at Farnborough. {An AirBus was making a hard pull up (to show off the airframes capabilities) but the G-limiter decided that the airframe could not "take it" and decided the airplane should crash to avoid excess stress on the "airframe".}

    But like a lot of people, you fail to recognize that the performance is HP/weight:: So, instead of 800 Kg cars with 1000 HP a 600 Kg car with 750 HP (or a 400 Kg car with 500 HP) would be just as fast and have much better tire life. Release the limitations on the designers and constructors by reducing weight limit to something under which the teams can't meet
     
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  6. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ

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    The power to weight ratio was talked a lot in the 60s, far less nowadays.
    Lighter cars are more nimble and pleasant to drive.
     
  7. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    Well, first we are talking racing cars on the ground not airframes. I think we can all agree that having drivers black out with repeated G's over 5-7 is not good. cars today can perform way beyond the physical human limit. so Thinking of this a bit more- the computer detects the G limit and the car slows fuel rate, and applies brakes... not to hard really. You could also use that for track limit infringement.

    I do realize the power-to-weight ratios, and I believe you are not correct on power = weight. the 800Kg. cars are mandated... they can make them way lighter if allowed. if you are saying lower HP to lower weight so they don't need as much crash structure etc... Not sure how that helps or works? Clearly a Modern F-1 car's engine / PU package is a fraction of what a DFV or V12 weight in the 90's ... and again its only because its mandated what you can use. if you open the rules to other PU combinations... who knows what would come out. Ceramics, Carbon Nano, carbotainum etc... there are a lot of super exotic alloys that are excluded for cost that just don't get used.

    I'm not an engineer by any measure. But I'm far from a causal F1 fan. Its been one of my lifes passions ... and been following it actively since at least 1974.... so I do feel pretty informed
     
  8. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    The 2005 BMW V10 was reported to be 82Kg and made close to 1,000 HP.
    Whereas the current V6s weight 153 Kg nearly 2× as much and make 1,010 HP.

    The 800 Kg cars are ponderous and slow to alter yaw; whereas the 600 Kg cars were alive and thrilling to watch (even if lapping a few seconds per lap slower.)

    And don't get me talking about the noise.............

    So, we save 70 Kg by using NA V10s,
    then we save 100 Kg by specifying a 100" wheelbase,
    Then we save 50 Kg by simplifying the aerodynamic attachments and body shape;
    and at this point we are already under 600 KG.
     
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  9. Adrian Thompson

    Adrian Thompson Formula Junior

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    So if people want to 'correct' 2008, then let's not forget that Hill needs to be given the 94 WDC as Schumacher's Benetton had illegal traction control. "But we promise we didn't use it", despite Senna and others saying they could see and hear it in action', let alone Schumacher's actions in the last race. And let's correct 2021 and Massi's decision against the standaard rules and procedures, giving LCH either his 7th or 8th WDC. And while we're at it, let's not forget to fix 1990 and give that to Prost after Senna deliberately crashed them both out?...But, but, but..... See, you can't go back and change the past.
     
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  10. steved033

    steved033 F1 World Champ
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    3 place grid penalty for G limits. 3 more for track limits.

    more penalties!!! LOL

    sjd
     
  11. thx enzo

    thx enzo Formula Junior

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    Teams are NOT ALLOWED to perform ANY work on the cars during a red flag !!!
     
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  12. Adrian Thompson

    Adrian Thompson Formula Junior

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    I really like that one.
     
  13. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Just bring back the darn V10s.
     
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