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How to push in bumpers on a US-spec GTS/GTB

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  1. Brian A

    Brian A F1 Rookie

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    I pushed the front and rear US-spec bumpers inward this weekend on my US-spec 1983 308 QV.

    There are several threads here on how to do it, but the directions are piecemeal, so thought I’d document the process here. I am no expert; this is just a description of how I did it (I took no photos). I certainly will not say anything about whether doing this is safe or not. Hopefully others have more content to contribute.

    First off, the reason why there are no detailed threads is because the process is very straightforward.

    >>>Rear bumper<<<
    The goal here is to remove the two solid aluminum spacers between the bumper shocks and the bumper. These spacers are 1 ½” thick, and by removing them, you move the bumper 1 ½” inward. That is enough. The shocks themselves are difficult to shorten because they are enclosed under the rear trunk and getting to them would require removing lots of stuff, drilling rivets etc. 1 ½” is pretty optimal actually.

    The process I used to remove the rear spacers is as follows:
    - Remove exhaust cover
    - Remove bumper
    - Remove aluminum blocks
    - Cut 1 ½” lengths of steel tubing as spacers to keep the bumper nuts on the threaded area of the bumper studs. (I used ¾” electrical conduit.)
    - Replace rear bumper
    - Slide on steel tubing spacers
    - Replace nuts (consider using new Nyloc nuts). Use washers.
    - Replace exhaust cover

    >>> Front Bumper <<<
    The goal here is to remove the front shocks and shorten them by compressing them. An alternative is to buy solid replacement brackets from MAcarbon. “Brian Harper” has pushed-in his shocks and “BLACKHORSE” has used the MAcarbon brackets. I had thought Brian Harper’s front was pushed in further than BLACKHORSE’s, Ferr Parts gave me a good price on a set of used shocks, so I did the drill and compress method. The reality is that Brian Harper’s are pushed in about the same as BLACKHORSE’s (and now mine) so, if I were to do it again, I would have bought the MAcarbon brackets.

    The process to replace the front shocks is as follows:
    - Raise headlights and disconnect battery
    - Remove front grille
    - Unplug the signal light pigtails on either side of the bumper
    - Remove bumper
    - Remove front shocks
    - Replace front shocks with shortened ones (see below). Consider using new Nyloc nuts.
    - Replace bumper (consider using new Nyloc nuts)
    - Reconnect signal light pigtails
    - Replace grille (consider using new Nyloc nuts)
    - Reconnect battery

    The process to shortening a pair of factory shocks is as follows:
    - Drill a hole in the top of the shock roughly in the middle of the tube. This is the place where you will drill completely through later to secure the shock in a compressed position. Be prepared for a high-pressure mist bomb of mineral oil. Also be prepared for major oil drippage (see below). It gets everywhere; it’s as though it can drip upward.
    - Using a wood vice (you need a 11” jaw opening), compress the shock to the desired length.
    - (I assume all shocks are the same dimensions but you might compress the shocks at this point and rough fit them to measure how much you need to compress them for your car.) (My factory shocks were 10 7/8” total length and I shortened them to 9 1/8” which is 1 ¾” shorter. This is extremely tight: I did not have a mm to spare.)
    - Drill through the entire shock starting at the hole you originally drilled for pressure relief.
    - Insert a bolt through the hole and secure with a Nyloc nut.

    Some tips:
    - Keep some slack on the large vertical rear bolt (should have a Nyloc nut) on the front shocks. If fully tight, you cannot move the bumper up and down for height adjustment. Slack the nuts for the U-bracket to move the bumper up and down to get it even left to right. It’s a fiddly process.
    - Check all grille hardware. I was shocked that two critical bolts on mine had loosened to finger tight. I replace all nuts with Nyloc (5mm dia 1.0 thread pitch). I know “somebody” who actually had their grille fall off; I can easily understand how this can happen.
    - People claim they have done all this work within 3 hours. They are much better home mechanics than me. I struggled with wrenching nuts in many very confined quarters and spent a lot of time getting the bumper nicely leveled.

    Regard the oil spill, both of the shocks I got from Ferr were identical looking. However, when I drilled the first one I just got a burst of dry air. When I drilled the second one, I got a lot of oil spray and dripping. Fortunately, prior threads had warned me of this and I had the shock fully wrapped as I drilled it. It is amazing though, how much oil just kept on dripping from the darned shock; it wouldn’t stop.

    Bumper weights were as follows:
    - Rear bumper: 39.2 lbs
    - Front bumper: 40.3 lbs
     
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  2. derekw

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    Brian, Do you think some really big hose clamps (or a couple joined together) could be used to strap around the compressed shock? This is what I planned to do. Just a couple of bucks and no drilling the original shocks so easy to reverse with no damage. I might try it this week and post results here. What shock lengths worked well?
     
  3. Brian A

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    It will be interesting to see if it works. 1.) I think once you look at the layout, you may find its not really possible to wrap a hose clamp around the shock to compress it. 2.) I'm skeptical that a hose clamp could provide sufficient compressive force. These shocks are supposed to stop a 3,000 lb car from 5 mph within the shock's 2 inches of travel. Must be pretty high pressure inside. 3.) If held in compressed position, over the years the high pressure gas would probably leak out making it unlikely the shock would spring back to original performance.

     
  4. Formula Uno

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    I just drilled a hole in each of the shocks and banged the bumpers in.

    Looks perfect and it took 10 minutes per bumper.
     
  5. Hannibal308

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    This is how we did my brother's 79 GTB. He did the front and I the back. Less than 10 minutes to full inward travel and a (marginally) improved look. No easy undoing with this method, however.
     
  6. waymar

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    Hi Gents. Great write up tutorial. Would be nice to see before and after shots ..?..
     
  7. topcarbon

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    100% agree
     
  8. Brian A

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    #8 Brian A, Jun 12, 2017
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    Personally, I think it now looks GREAT. As in: extremely happy. Call me conservative, but I like the idea that I have I-beams rather than fiberglass as bumpers.

    There are three reasons why I did it the way I did:
    1.) I wanted to keep it as a reversible change.
    2.) I wanted to ensure I pushed the front bumper in as far as it can possibly go. (Technically, it could go farther in if one were willing to trim a bit of (non-structural) chassis).
    3.) I kinda like taking things apart just to see what's inside.

    I didn't take "before" shots, but there are a few of the result.
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  10. MaranelloDave

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    Thanks for posting. I plan to do this mod soon.
     
  11. Hannibal308

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    Looks very nice!
     
  12. Brian A

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    It would be interesting to see some photos of the result. Particularly, it would be interesting to see a photo that shows how far the rear bumper pushes in with the shock drilled rather than by removing the aluminum spacers.

    It would also be interesting to see photos of the front and rear bumpers of a factory euro car. Anyone?
     
  13. Brian A

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    #13 Brian A, Jun 20, 2017
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    I can answer my own question regarding the Euro bumpers. "-CD-" had posted some clear bumper shots of his magnificent Euro GTB.

    It looks like the Euro bumper extends a little less than a pushed-in USA bumper, but the bigger difference is that the front of the Euro bumper is angled at the same slope and is flush with the marker lights. The USA bumper has a flat front. To my eye, the Euro is aesthetically better, but the pushed-in USA bumper comes acceptably close.

    The rear bumper however is considerably different. The Euro considerably shorter. A big difference is the requirement for the exhaust cover on the USA model, which makes it impossible to imitate the Euro profile.

    I will get flamed for saying this, but I am okay with the USA exhaust cover. The exhaust cover implies the car has such a big engine "package" that it has to hang under the car.
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  14. JazzyJay

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    Just did the same front and rear procedures (using the MaCarbon struts) for my '84 QV. Will post pics soon.

    Some additional details that I ran into.....

    1.) when pushing in the rear bumper (by removing the spacers), the studs were now very close to the frame, and I could not get a traditional socket/ratchet in between the end of the stud and the frame. I have a good set of stubby box wrenches (spanners), which worked well...the normal length box wrenches allowed almost no movement in the tight space.
    2.) use the spacer washers included in the MAcarbon front strut kit. They allow you to fully tighten the u-brackets and the vertical bolts (assuming you do a little test fit-up by holding the bumper up to the brackets) before you bolt on the bumper or grill. Much easier since access to the vertical bolts is tight anyway.
     
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    I'm with you on that. I think the exhaust cover looks absolutely fine.
     
  17. derekw

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    #17 derekw, Jul 1, 2017
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    So the hose clamps worked ok. You have to keep the worm screws outside the body as they will not fit through the holes at the back. The solution was to use one 6" clamp and one 2" clamp. Look in the ducts/HVAC section of your hardware store. I used my trusty home-made valve spring compressor clamp to compress the shock to be 1.75" shorter as suggested by Brian (Thanks.) We ground some shallow flat grooves for the band to sit in the rounded inside end. A single 8" clamp would work better but I couldn't find any locally.
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    Brian inspired me so much I just finished doing mine on a '85 GTS. I've especially hated the front bumper, since I got the car. I used the MAcarbon units in the front. Sorry but the hose clamp thinggie looks a little harsh to me. For the price, with tax and shipping, the MAcarbon units were well worth it. The only tiny little minor gripe would be getting the nuts back on to the bumper, open end wrench, !/8 of a turn - I have no patience. If the shank was a little narrower at the bumper end, you could get a socket on it. On the back I used 1/2" nut extenders (look in the threaded rod department of your hardware store) no cutting and maybe a little less likely to crush than conduit. Thanks again Brian for inspiration and great instructions.
     
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  19. thorn

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    I won't flame you on that, no. Speaking as a Euro owner, I think the American 308 flavor also looks nice. There are days when I actually prefer the US front airdam to Euro, depends on my mood. Both US and Euro varieties look quite nice in their own ways. :)
     
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    #20 derekw, Jul 11, 2017
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    For anyone wanting to use the hose clamp method, the front bumper shocks were not as easy because the bolts that mount them to the frame are vertical, not horizontal like the back. This puts the holes in the shocks where the clamp strap would go. I filed the slots off-centre and the straps worked fine. The good thing with this method (apart from being reversable) is that I can adjust the in/out position of the bumper with a screwdriver. They do also provide some shock absorption.
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  21. Brian A

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    Thanks for the kudos. We big-bumpered 308 owners can be self-conscious. Happily, a little bumper tuck goes a long way.

    It makes a BIG difference, doesn't it?

    Great idea using nut extenders; I wish I had used them.
     
  22. tinterow

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    I just smashed my front end in to a tree...worked great!
     
  23. retired

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    Have a usa 1978 GTS. Just completed the bumper project. The front with Mcarbon parts.

    Surprised that the rear bumper did not have the removable 1 3/4 inch spacers. We tried the Mcarbon on the rear, to many problems with the bolts. We than just collapsed the shock and attached the bumper. We were really surprised about there being no spacers.

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  24. Brian A

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    There are several people who are reporting that they don't have the 1 1/2" spacers.

    Now that you've pushed in the rear shocks, is the bumper now even with the exhaust cover or does it still extend beyond it? If it still extends beyond, that would probably mean you have a different length of rear shock than the cars with spacers. The spacers are so easy to remove though, that I suspect they were just removed at a prior time.

    It would be great if you could post a photo of your rear bumper now that the rear shocks are pushed in.
     
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    Here is pic
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