How to REALLY drive Maranellos on track !!!

When, and if, I grow up...

 

Why, what's going on? Tell you what. Let's match pink slips. I'll put up the Miata and you the Shark. Come on. I double dog dare ya!

 

Interesting to see to which extent they went to squeeze a sec in favour of the 575. Very nice 3rd gear slide out of the parabolica in the 550 !

 

File no worky

 

Not for me!

 

Thanks for the clip!

Mike

 

Thanks for the great video!!

I would be interested to see the same footage with a 550 vs a 575 6-Speed. How much of the gain in performance can be attributed to the paddles and how much to the rest of the car? I think it was all paddles.

From what I have been reading here, no seat time in either, I think there are some who would argue the 550 would beat the 575 with the same transmission, especially of it didn't have the Fiorano package.

What do you think?

 

I've always thought the lap time advantage of the 575 was down to driving style. The 550 lap is very sloppy with many mistakes, the 575 lap near perfect. IMO the gearbox has little if any advantage as the driver is a real pro.

 

That's right. The F1 is slower than stick shift. It's only advantage for performance driving is that it does not make mistakes or abuse anything.......

I would guess that a Stick 575 would be another second or even more faster than an F1 over one lap, based on what I know about 360 F1 and stick shifting.

And, yeah, the driving of the 550 in the video is sloppy and extravagant, and not that fast, and that if he was to have another go driving neat and tidily, the 550 would match or maybe even beat the 575 time.

 

That's probably why in F1 they also use stick shift right ?

 

Not that I am in a position to verify ferrarifixers comment, I will point out as a comparison BMW SMG II in race mode takes 0.08sec for gear change, Ferrari 575 0.22sec, 360CS 0.18sec. I personally can change as fast as this (except 2 to 3 across the gate). I don't know about F1, but I'm assuming it's faster than BMW street car technology. You cannot even begin to compare F1 transmissions with Ferrari paddle shift.

 

The question is not whether you can shift faster than 220 msec. The question is how many times can you do it over and over again before you get 1 wrong... Anyway it was clearly an interesting but biased video. The lines of the 550 were often wrong, looking spectacular but missing apexes. I have an F1 and would not want anything else - but that's just me
JM

 

That's the whole point, a pro driver should shift faster than the Ferrari paddle, consistently.

 

I'll tell you this much. I raced Porsche cup cars and I can't think of a race when I didn't slip a shift by a few tenths... Yet I was often at the front... Back in the old days of F1, even world champions missed gear shifts. anyway, I won't convince you and you won't convince me and the world is probably a better place for it
JM

 

You shuold really put NWS on the title of this thread.. I think I need to change my pants.. That was awesome!

 

Bah, I thought it was vid of you driving your car at the track or something. Plus, the "bah" was because I've got that vid already somewhere in my archive, it's kinda old

To bad I don't live near the track, I'd take you up on that drive. Would be a great exp for the first Fcar ride

 

The F1 shift is slow because it is really a stock standard H pattern box being shifted remotely. I said it is slow, but accurate.

The Ferrari road car F1 system has to

1) Recognise the driver input

2) Push the clutch down

3) Move the 4 rail selector finger from wherever it is to the next gear, including wait for the synchro's to match up etc (there are 15 synchroniser surfaces in a 360 Box)

4) Re engage the clutch

In Formula 1, the cars have "real" sequential boxes with only one actuation in a fore and aft motion and no synchronisers...like a m/cycle.

The road cars also have 6 electro hydraulic solenoid valves to co-ordinate and two hydraulic actuators...one to twist and one to thrust. It all takes time.

Over a race distance, I reckon the F1 road system is quicker and more likely to finish the race than stick, purely because of no driver errors. However, Over one lap in qualifying, there is no contest.... the F1 is painfuly slow, and this has been proved in extensive racing and testing, and can be witnessed by the increasingly low numbers of 360 GT that still have F1.....they all now have Manual sequential or are moving to it to remain competitive.

The 575 GT has manual sequential also.

 

I just red on the news that Badoer crashed his Ferrari yesterday because there were snow on the street

 

Dave: you going to the rampage? I'd like to track mine with you.

--Dan

 

fair enough. we'll get there when we're there...

--Dan