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How To: Scuderia Carbonio Challenge (Extended) Paddles

Discussion in '360/430' started by arenared, Apr 6, 2012.

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  1. arenared

    arenared Karting

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    #1 arenared, Apr 6, 2012
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    This is sort of a review/how to install. This is on my 430 Scuderia. Other models may vary. All disclaimers apply. You get what you paid for :)

    Background discussion: Why extended "challenge" paddles?

    Well some cars have steering wheel-mounted paddles. Some have column-mounted paddles. They both have advantages/disadvantages. IMHO, the advantage of steering wheel-mounted paddles is you can easily shift mid-turn in most scenarios. The disadvantage is when you are all hand-over-hand swapped around, you have no idea which paddle is which. In contrast, column mounted paddles are always in the same place. You never "lose" them. Unfortunately, anything more than a slight turn of the wheel, and you can't reach them. YMMV. I, personally, wanted longer/extended paddles because I found myself often having to lift off/slide up/down the steering wheel to shift.

    The common mod is to use "Challenge" car versions of the paddles. Not surprising, some aftermarket companies copy this idea and sell them. I had read good things about the quality of Carbonio, so I went with theirs. Link: http://www.carbonio.com/performance/brand/ferrari/430challenge.html They were very pleasant and friendly to deal with. I also got their CF license plate frame, which is also very appropriate for my Scud :)

    First pic is of the stock carbon fiber shift paddle on my Scud. I am not sure, but I think the size is similar to a regular 430, but the regular 430 is aluminum. This will be useful for perspective in upcoming pictures.
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  2. arenared

    arenared Karting

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    #2 arenared, Apr 6, 2012
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    The paddles are held on by 2 allen head screws each. To access them, you need to get the plastic shroud around the steering wheel out of the way. You only need to remove the bottom half. Then, the top half will be flopping around and you can hold it out of the way or prop it up with a towel or something to access the screws which will become apparent in a moment.

    To remove the bottom half, there are (I believe) 3 very visible Phillips screws, but also 2 less obvious down inside deep holes. Once the screws are all removed, the two halves unsnap with some gentle prying with your hands.

    Following is the bottom view of the steering column shroud showing screw locations. Bottom of the pic is towards the firewall.
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  3. arenared

    arenared Karting

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    #3 arenared, Apr 6, 2012
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    Here is the money shot :) This is how the paddles are held on. It's really just two tiny, seemingly weak, screws. This is the left paddle bottom screw. The top one is under the plastic shroud (which is not held/propped up).

    NOTE that the steering wheel is turned so the top is towards the left, probably about 8 o'clock. The lower screw has a fair amount of clearance, but the upper screw is just barely accessible when turning the steering wheel. I used a ball-head allen/hex key for most of the work so I would not put any wear marks on the steering wheel hub. If not, you might want to use a towel or blue tape or something.
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  4. arenared

    arenared Karting

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    #4 arenared, Apr 6, 2012
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  5. arenared

    arenared Karting

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    #5 arenared, Apr 6, 2012
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    And here is the weight of the Carbonio paddles: 6.3 oz. So, for you Scud owners, this mod costs you 2.7 oz.

    Also, pay particular attention to the hole displayed in the upper right of this photo, which is actually the left/down shift paddle.

    I guess this is a good time to digress and talk about the quality. Overall, I would give these an A-. The factory ones are A. Not A+, but A. So, what's the difference/faults?

    There are a few. The first is the holes were not really finished worth a darn. On a couple, there was some uneven globs in the taper. One hole was very tight. The other three were just too small period. I had to drill out the holes and clean up the tapers with a countersink. I should not have to do this on something that costs nearly a grand. I didn't deduct too much because it only took me a few minutes, but it would have taken Carbonio less time.

    Next, the finish had the tiniest of imperfections which were not present in the factory parts. In all honesty, now that they are installed, I don't see them and don't notice. Also, the finish of the edges is not as nice as OEM where the resin is comparatively thick. Finally, the color is not a 100% match to stock. Note that unless you looked carefully and held them up side-by-side, you would not notice. But, it is worth noting they are close, but not as perfect as the factory parts. I would still fully recommend them.
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  6. arenared

    arenared Karting

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    #6 arenared, Apr 6, 2012
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    For comparison, here is the right/up shift paddle next to the Carbonio. You can see how MUCH LONGER the Challenge paddles are.

    The holes on the OEM are no prize either, but they fit much better. If you've cleaned up the holes, the screws will seat fairly decently and tighten down. I put the screws "good and tight" which is a really scientific term which comes from working on cars for 30 years and learning when things strip/break :D
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  7. arenared

    arenared Karting

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    #7 arenared, Apr 6, 2012
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    Finally, here is the left shift paddle installed. Just repeat for the other side, and button everything back up.

    In operation, here is what I found:

    I LOVE them!!! The action at the very bottom of the paddles is perfect. In comparison, the tops of the paddles are a bit too long IMO. The reason is that if you grab the top inch, you are really working the mechanical switch at an angle where you are pulling it down top to bottom rather than in left to right. It can be operated this last inch, but I feel you really have to concentrate as the action is not natural. Generally, I just avoid using the top inch.

    Also, compared to the stock paddles, your control stalks will be blocked. It, however, only took me a few miles to get used to this. In fact, I prefer it now. Before, instead of groveling for the turn signal which is set back fairly far away from the steering wheel, you just let your fingertips ride along the backside of the paddles, and you find them easier. Just different, but I like it better.

    IMO, and in summary, this is a must-have mod if you do any serious (non-touring type) of driving. My comments are more of a heads-up. I actually put these in a couple months ago (and still LOVE them), but I am behind in a lot of things including my mod posts, so cut me some slack! :D Hope you found my install/post useful.
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  8. Carbonio

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    Thank you for taking the time to put this together. Just to address some of your points:

    Carbonio paddles are made with the exact same carbon and finished with the same manufacturer and specification clear as the OEM parts. That said these are hand made items and no two are the same which accounts for small variances in colour between parts. I have seen near perfect OEM paddles and some that were borderline disgusting in their finish and we always try to be on the upper end of the perfection scale or the parts get finished again.

    Regarding the cleanliness of the mounting holes, this is feedback that we will take to heart and immediately QC with future shipments starting Monday. This is the first of us hearing about it and you are right that the customer should not have to tidy up the holes and for that we apologize. Please take solace in the fact that your input will improve the product for all of our future customers.

    Lastly it is important to note that only 430 owners need to remove the plastic around the steering column. 360 and 575 owners merely need to turn the steering wheel to expose the mounting screws making installation much easier for the owners of these cars. Either way it is a 15 minute job or less.

    For those not totally familiar with the advantages of the long paddles here is a video that showcases its merits:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwXQA6EkKuc[/ame]
     
  9. -CD-

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    Thanks for posting!

    My paddles are on the way, can´t wait to built them in... :)

    Greetings Christian

    P.S: My original Scud paddles have a nice finish on the top,
    but an absoult worst finsih at the corners!
     
  10. RichardCH

    RichardCH F1 Rookie
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    I have these on both my SCUD and 430 Spider, they are a MASSIVE improvement on the OEM ones
     
  11. F430addict

    F430addict F1 Rookie

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    Can't live without em! Can't believe Ferrari let their cars roll out of the line without these as stock items.
     
  12. ThisFlyGuy

    ThisFlyGuy Formula 3

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    great informational post and nice pics!
     
  13. euro_king

    euro_king Formula Junior

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    Looks good Brett. also been looking at the same paddle. maybe i can look at yours one of this days
     
  14. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    Just got mine in the mail! Thanks for posting, wouldn't have even known about this if not for your post. No more hand shuffling monkey business in mid-turn once I get them installed!!
     
  15. F430addict

    F430addict F1 Rookie

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    No need to consider, just get one! LOL. No regrets!
     

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