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How to verify original TR color? Does it matter to collectors?

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  1. EricJF

    EricJF Rookie

    Aug 3, 2015
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    Manhattan, NY
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    Eric Friedman
    Greetings,

    I'm a new member, and have a deposit down on an '88 Nero/Nero TR.

    The black paint looks perfect, and the interior has very minimal seat wear for a 30,000 mile car. One of my minor concerns is whether the black paint is original, and if it wasn't...verifying if the car was originally a black car. With so many red ones, it'd be easy to imagine repainting one black.

    In the vintage Shelby world for instance, the original color is coded into the VIN, and a desirable color needs to match the VIN's spec for the car to have its full value.

    - Does the paint being the original color matter as much for TRs?
    - Is there a good way to check what the original color may have been, if different?

    Thanks!
     
  2. 302Tim

    302Tim Formula 3

    Jul 2, 2011
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    Aside from physical evidence the only "proof" on the car is the paint label on the front hood (LH side). Those are being reproduced so not a guarantee or originality. The original window sticker (if a US car) would tell but no other factory documentation sold with the car does (maybe a dealer invoice or other non-factory documentation). Inspect the car carefully and you should be able to tell. If the usual spots (behind trim and weatherstrip) don't give a clue you could remove some of the satin black "blackout" paint sprayed in the engine compartment, under the hoods, etc. to see the color of the base coat. Also, a Ferrari dealer should be able to look up the VIN in their database and tell you (if you can convince them to, not being the owner).

    A lot of buyers are cautious of a re-paint (especially after an accident) and feel that affects value, others not so much. If you could prove it was a color change without any damage you might reduce buyer reluctance. IMO there weren't many TRs color-changed. Sure, there were a ton of red ones but black is not too hard to find.

    Is the black solid or metallic?

    Contact Carbon McCoy "134282" (on this board), he maintains a pretty thorough database that might have more details.
     
  3. godabitibi

    godabitibi F1 Veteran

    Jan 11, 2012
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    Out of the 580 cars I have in the registry black was the second most common color.

    Here are the numbers.

    381 Red 65% approximate for the registry
    71 Black 12.5%
    34 White 6%
    31 Yellow 5.3%
    16 Blue 2.8%
    15 Silver 2.6%
    6 Prugna 0.9%
    5 Gray 0.9%
    1 Gold 0.2%
    1 Green 0.2%
     
  4. phrogs

    phrogs F1 Veteran
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    Look behind the dash or under the carpets, very very few people would take a color change that far.

    So behind dash is a good place to see original paint.
     
  5. Melvok

    Melvok F1 World Champ
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  6. EricJF

    EricJF Rookie

    Aug 3, 2015
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    Thanks guys for your thoughtful replies! The (hopefully original) sticker appears to be there, and confirms Nero as the original color.
     
  7. 88Testarossa

    88Testarossa Formula 3

    Sep 25, 2012
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    Welcome to the Old 12s club! I've owned mine for almost 20 years. You'll be thrilled 😎


    Sent via itty bitty electrons
     
  8. rovexienus

    rovexienus Formula Junior
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    Hi,

    If the carpets happen to be black also, this car is potentially a "triple black" which - in Europe at least - is a rare color combination (therefore desirable I think).

    Does the original color matter? For myself it does, simply because the color(s) is the result of a careful decision by the buyer at the time of ordering the car. And this decision is important in the identity of the car. But of course this is a personal opinion.

    I bought a 400i Rosso Corsa, and grey leather inside (no black leather at all), grey carpet. Kind of odd. There was a bit of corrosion at the top of the windscreen, so I decided to go ahead and have it redone completely from the bare metal, hoping to find traces of another color in the process (blue perhaps). No traces of blue, only red. OK. A couple of years after I eventually got a "Vehicle Production Data" from Classiche for this car (of course I am kicking myself for not having started with this step).

    Original color on the document is "Grigio Scuro Metallizzato Italver", interior "Pelle Grigio VM3393 Incluso Cruscotto Parti Normalemente Nere". So this is a "triple grey" car, this sounds less odd than the red/grey combo. This car is now due for yet another bare metal operation to obtain its true original color.
     

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