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Hurricane Katrina (new path puts N.O. in range)

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  1. JSinNOLA

    JSinNOLA Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #1 JSinNOLA, Aug 26, 2005
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    I was browsing a website that said Katrina could be a category 4 hurricane when it makes its next landfall. I don't know about you guys, but I had thought this thing was supposed to make a severe Northward turn and head up the Eastern seaboard.

    WRONG!

    Here is the latest map. Not good.
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  2. WARDHOG

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    Shreveport has plenty of hotels!
     
  3. JSinNOLA

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    Probably because this is pseudo-sudden. I would gather that 95% of the locals here just signed this sucker off a couple of days ago. Heck, this morning the projected path was STILL going much further North. But now its coming in quickly and I fear that if it hits here the city will be entirely caught off guard.

    Amazing.
    (crossing fingers)
     
  4. PWehmer

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    Wow. Thanks for the update John.

    Time to stock up for a hurricane party- I can beat the rush since no one seems to know about this yet.
     
  5. JSinNOLA

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    Thats what I am thinking as far as getting a hotel room Northwest of here. Will make the decision tomorrow around 2pm.

    Also, for anyone making hotel reservations I HIGHLY suggest doing so online.

    When I left for hurricane Ivan I left a little late and was told that virtually all of the decent hotels in Houston were booked. I scoured online websites and uncovered a room available at a great hotel for a decent rate. This was at a hotel that 3 previous phone conversations WITH the hotel claimed the place was full. Some websites have the rooms pre-booked, so its something to keep in mind.
     
  6. FastLapp

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    My kart race got rained out last week. Not this!!!
     
  7. PWehmer

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  8. FastLapp

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    Dang, New Orleans is gonna be really screwed if the storm keeps true to form. Any of you guys evacuating? Better take your cars with you. Over here in biloxi, we are supposed to get 10 inches of rain and tropical storm winds. But hurricanes are always changing. I hope everybodys safe.
     
  9. JSinNOLA

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    I am getting stuff together right now and getting the hell out of here ASAP.

    Be smart, be safe. Best of luck to everyone, let's hope this stupid thing swings out a little further East in the next 24 hours...
     
  10. kito

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    I went home ealier today to Mandeville from LSU with the intent on going to a family function in Lacombe and when I saw the long lines at the gas stations that had no regular unleaded left I thought it might be a good idea to just turn right around and go back whence I came.

    In terms of evacuation, the only real evacuation in my family was moving my sister from her apartment on Magazine St. back to my mom's house in Covington. Now all that's left to do is see what happens and hope that not too much property damage is done because my dad's office is immediately off the causeway and his house is on the Tchefuncte and my aunt and uncle and my grandparents have houses on Bayou Lacombe.

    I've been watching the stream from WWL's website since I can't get it in BR and it seems that unless something unexpected happens the metro area is pretty much screwed.

    All I have to say is leave!
     
  11. kito

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    On a slightly different subject concerning the evacuation/contraflow routes, a couple months ago one of my dad's companies (www.ongolive.com) was involved in a hurricane simulation. One of the major areas they were focusing on is the exact scanario that New Orleans is in now. They tried to sell the product (surveillance systems that use cellular/satellite tech to transfer video/images) for OEP and DOT to monitor traffic and to help control the contraflow. The state officials delayed purchasing until next year because they said that the likelihood of this happening was miniscule. I bet they're kicking themselves for that now.
     
  12. FastLapp

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    I hope I'm wishing more than you, cause if it comes east- I'm in the eye of the storm. I hoping for it to turn around and go Antartica, better the penguins than us. ;)
     
  13. Texas Forever

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    No, no, no. A thousand times no. The folks in Pensacola have paid enough dues.
     
  14. JSinNOLA

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    Correct, but 15ft of standing water in downtown New Orleans would wipe this place clean off of the map. There is virtually no drainage in this bowl. Nobody wants to have one of these hit, but there are over 100,000 residents in New Orleans without transportation.

    A little known fact is that the National Guard has prepped over 70,000 body bags for this nightmare scenario.

    Here is an article on the doomsday scenario:

    KEEPING ITS HEAD ABOVE WATER
    New Orleans faces doomsday scenario

    New Orleans is sinking.

    And its main buffer from a hurricane, the protective Mississippi River delta, is quickly eroding away, leaving the historic city perilously close to disaster.

    So vulnerable, in fact, that earlier this year the Federal Emergency Management Agency ranked the potential damage to New Orleans as among the three likeliest, most castastrophic disasters facing this country.

    The other two? A massive earthquake in San Francisco, and, almost prophetically, a terrorist attack on New York City.

    The New Orleans hurricane scenario may be the deadliest of all.

    In the face of an approaching storm, scientists say, the city's less-than-adequate evacuation routes would strand 250,000 people or more, and probably kill one of 10 left behind as the city drowned under 20 feet of water. Thousands of refugees could land in Houston.

    Economically, the toll would be shattering.

    Southern Louisiana produces one-third of the country's seafood, one-fifth of its oil and one-quarter of its natural gas. The city's tourism, lifeblood of the French Quarter, would cease to exist. The Big Easy might never recover.

    And, given New Orleans' precarious perch, some academics wonder if it should be rebuilt at all.

    It's been 36 years since Hurricane Betsy buried New Orleans 8 feet deep. Since then a deteriorating ecosystem and increased development have left the city in an ever more precarious position. Yet the problem went unaddressed for decades by a laissez-faire government, experts said.

    "To some extent, I think we've been lulled to sleep," said Marc Levitan, director of Louisiana State University's hurricane center.

    Hurricane season ended Friday, and for the second straight year no hurricanes hit the United States. But the season nonetheless continued a long-term trend of more active seasons, forecasters said. Tropical Storm Allison became this country's most destructive tropical storm ever.

    Yet despite the damage Allison wrought upon Houston, dropping more than 3 feet of water in some areas, a few days later much of the city returned to normal as bloated bayous drained into the Gulf of Mexico.

    The same storm dumped a mere 5 inches on New Orleans, nearly overwhelming the city's pump system. If an Allison-type storm were to strike New Orleans, or a Category 3 storm or greater with at least 111 mph winds, the results would be cataclysmic, New Orleans planners said.

    "Any significant water that comes into this city is a dangerous threat," Walter Maestri, Jefferson Parish emergency management director, told Scientific American for an October article.

    "Even though I have to plan for it, I don't even want to think about the loss of life a huge hurricane would cause."

    New Orleans is essentially a bowl ringed by levees that protect the city from the Mississippi River to its south and Lake Pontchartrain to the north. The bottom of the bowl is 14 feet below sea level, and efforts to keep it dry are only digging a deeper hole.

    During routine rainfalls the city's dozens of pumps push water uphill into the lake. This, in turn, draws water from the ground, further drying the ground and sinking it deeper, a problem known as subsidence.

    This problem also faces Houston as water wells have sucked the ground dry. Houston's solution is a plan to convert to surface drinking water. For New Orleans, eliminating pumping during a rainfall is not an option, so the city continues to sink.

    A big storm, scientists said, would likely block four of five evacuation routes long before it hit. Those left behind would have no power or transportation, and little food or medicine, and no prospects for a return to normal any time soon.

    "The bowl would be full," Levitan said. "There's simply no place for the water to drain."

    Estimates for pumping the city dry after a huge storm vary from six to 16 weeks. Hundreds of thousands would be homeless, their residences destroyed.

    The only solution, scientists, politicians and other Louisiana officials agree, is to take large-scale steps to minimize the risks, such as rebuilding the protective delta.

    Every two miles of marsh between New Orleans and the Gulf reduces a storm surge -- which in some cases is 20 feet or higher -- by half a foot.

    In 1990, the Breaux Act, named for its author, Sen. John Breaux, D-La., created a task force of several federal agencies to address the severe wetlands loss in coastal Louisiana. The act has brought about $40 million a year for wetland restoration projects, but it hasn't been enough.

    "It's kind of been like trying to give aspirin to a cancer patient," said Len Bahr, director of Louisiana Gov. Mike Foster's coastal activities office.

    The state loses about 25 square miles of land a year, the equivalent of about one football field every 15 minutes. The fishing industry, without marshes, swamps and fertile wetlands, could lose a projected $37 billion by the year 2050.

    University of New Orleans researchers studied the impact of Breaux Act projects on the vanishing wetlands and estimated that only 2 percent of the loss has been averted. Clearly, Bahr said, there is a need for something much bigger. There is some evidence this finally may be happening.

    A consortium of local, state and federal agencies is studying a $2 billion to $3 billion plan to divert sediment from the Mississippi River back into the delta. Because the river is leveed all the way to the Gulf, where sediment is dumped into deep water, nothing is left to replenish the receding delta.

    Other possible projects include restoration of barrier reefs and perhaps a large gate to prevent Lake Pontchartrain from overflowing and drowning the city.

    All are multibillion-dollar projects. A plan to restore the Florida Everglades attracted $4 billion in federal funding, but the state had to match it dollar for dollar. In Louisiana, so far, there's only been a willingness to match 15 or 25 cents.

    "Our state still looks for a 100 percent federal bailout, but that's just not going to happen," said University of New Orleans geologist Shea Penland, a delta expert.

    "We have an image and credibility problem. We have to convince our country that they need to take us seriously, that they can trust us to do a science-based restoration program."
     
  15. PassionIsFerrari

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    As someone that lives near Pensacola, and has been blasted by the last 2 hurricanes, I would rather see it hit here then New Orleans...I would rather see it hit Mississippi then here. New Orleans is not equipped to deal with this. Even though it would impact me personally if it hit here, I feel the consequences would have far less tragegdy. This is a nightmare turned bad for that city, I hope that it turns east or west.
     
  16. JSinNOLA

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    ***ST. TAMMANY PARISH MANDATORY EVACUATION***


    Possible Orleans Parish announcement late this evening, many believe a mandatory evac is coming.
     
  17. PassionIsFerrari

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    Man, I really hope this thing turns.
     
  18. tifosi

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    good luck guys this is heading right for you
     
  19. Dave328

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    I boarded up the windows and am settling in for the weekend. Much to the chagrin of the wife, it just isn't feasible to leave. Besides, my new house is so high above the minimum flood elevation water in the house isn't a concern. Plus I just bought a new scope for the assault rifle, so I'm hoping for some looters! ;)

    Dave
     
  20. Texas Forever

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    You're right. It was crass of me to say that. But after digging my 80+ year old mother out after Ivan. And dealing with the last two storms of this year, enuf is enuf.
     
  21. Texas Forever

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    Maybe you should use some of the insurance money that you plan on getting to replace those bald tires of yours...
     
  22. JSinNOLA

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    No joke, couldn't agree more.


    Out to Jackson, Ms
     
  23. FAMILY MAN

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    Nov 24, 2003
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    ** Shreveport/Bossier City is SOLD OUT of hotel rooms. You might be able to get one in Longview, Texas (WEST) or Little Rock, Arkansas (NORTH). Try Monroe, Louisiana too, but the farther north & west the better. Where are you guys sending your Ferraris?

    FM
     
  24. detltu

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    Well I made it over to Baton Rouge but I may need to keep on trucking. This is definately looking good. 35 ft waves showing on some of the buoys. Good luck everyone.
     
  25. richard

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    If any local club members are in a jam about car storage, feel free contact me ASAP -- I have access to a secure location and may be able to help. PM or email will do fine, I can give you my phone number from there. I'll be available all day tomorrow.
     

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