Hyper-Flow Cats are on !

Are the test pipes (Straight pipes) "louder" than the Hyper-flo cats? I would assume so but I am not sure. And oh yeah, the damned CEL is always on but I don't give a fuk.

 

i would assume it will be a bit louder and free up a hp or two more also.

 

Officially they have to tell you that it voids the warranty but if you have a good relationship with the dealer/mechanics you won't have a problem unless major failures that can be traced to the cats (highly unlikely) crop up, especially, as Chris said, if you have them do the installation.

Rick, is your dealership owned by Ferrari NA?

 

i don't think so. but i have a good relationship with them. they would not "turn me in" if i installed hyper-flow cats. i told them that i'd be happy to pay them to do the installation. but they told me that if ferrari found out that they'd be at some risk (not sure what the risk would be, but they definitely did not want to take the chance). their main "warning" to me was that FNA has a service representative that frequently visits the various dealerships. as part of his duties he takes a quick look at newer cars in for service and if he sees any "mods" that might violate the warranty he makes a note of the VIN and the specific items that he observed. my dealer told me that ferrari will (not might) void the warranty if/when something crops up on cars they noted to have mods they don't approve of.

i'm just the messenger. don't shoot me if you don't believe the info that i'm passing on. i'm not sure i believe it either, but it bothers me enough to want to look into this further before i risk losing my warranty.

 

I know what you are saying.
Your dealer will take care of you, but if somehow FNA knows for a fact that your car has aftermarket CAT they will void the warranty. That's understandable and reasonable.
Personally I do not think your CS should be at dealer too often, it's a reliable car. So the chance of a FNA rep poking around while your car is in service dept is rather slim.

 

i agree but i think it's good for anybody considering installing hyper-flow cats to be aware of this possibility.

 

Rules for Replacing Converters
In 1986, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issued new guidelines for the construction, efficiency and installation of aftermarket catalytic converters. All CleanAir converters listed in this catalog have been designed, tested and manufactured to meet this policy.

In addition, CleanAir converter listed in this catalog is appropriate for use under the current requirements of the California Air Resources Board (C.A.R.B.).
E.P.A. guidelines state that replacement converters may be installed only in the following situations:

1. The vehicle is missing a converter
2. A state or local inspection program has determined that the existing converter needs replacement
3. Vehicles manufactured prior to 1996 must have more than 50,000 miles, and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented
4. In cases of OBD Il-equipped vehicles (1996 and later), the O.E. manufacturer's 8-year/80,000-mile warranty must have expired and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented.
Please note that Federal law prohibits removal or replacement of a properly functioning O.E. converter.

When replacement of the converter is appropriate (as outlined above), the E.P.A. further requires that:

1. It be installed in the same location as the original
2. It be the same type as the original (i.e., two-way, three-way, three-way plus air/three-way plus oxidation)
3. It be the proper model for the vehicle application as determined and specified by the manufacturer
4. It be properly connected to any existing air injection components on the vehicle
5. It be installed with any other required converter for a particular application
6. It be accompanied by a warranty information card to be completed by the installer.

So in theory on a new car you really aren't meant to be replacing them. I assume Switzerland doesn't have this same limitation. 'Fortunately' my 348's OEM cats were punched so had to be replaced. Also I don't know how smart tthe smog check people are here in California but those polished converters might jump out at them on the visual inspection.

I love the Hyperflows on my car and am really happy but you do get warranty and EPA challenges when you're messing with new or nearly new cars.

Cheers
Kevin

 

Hi Richard

Are the Hyperflow Cats street legal in Switzerland and where did you have them installed?

Markus

 

Rick, not sure if this was directed at me but I believe you completely, technically even a Tubi muffler can completely void the warranty if Ferrari NA decides it so, although I have never heard of that happening.

BTW, shouldn't the dealer know when a service rep is coming around? I doubt it's some kind of surprise visit, but as we know anything is possible with NA.

 

a friend of mine spoke to his dealer today about hyper-flow cats on his stradale. he was surprised when his dealer told him that ferrari was "pressuring" them not to get involved in after market mods. his dealer installed a tubi NGT on his stradale last year, but now the dealer claims they don't feel comfortable doing this any longer. he left my friend with the definite impression that ferrari has seemingly changed their stance recently to definitely discourage dealers (and customers) from participating in after market mods. he also told my friend that there were some new people at FNA and maybe they have something to do with the change in atmosphere.

i'm going to sit on the sidelines for a bit

 

Forgive me if im wrong, but if the dealer was to fit the item for you,he must take on some level of responsibility ( unless a disclaimer is in place) .

If you have an aftermarket exhaust/ecu,s/etc etc and the engine gives out, I would of thought this gives Ferrari an opportunity of a "get out of jail card" ie they can simply lay a good proprtion of the failure to the modification.

I see it as a risk that you have to take, hell id prop have the stock item replaced prir to sending the car back to the dealer...


But for the record id never dream of modifiying my Ferrari ( yeah right!!)



Now where can i buy some Hyperflow Cats????

 

Any objective, rather than subjective data on these yet?
I'm looking to change the cats on my 550, so am very interested to see how well these work with the 360.

 

Hi RichardCH,

Totally agree!

I went to a different solution. Have a look to my post on http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68880 to get all the details.

Regards,
Paulo

 

Hi bjc138!

Finally I recognize one of your posts in Fchat!

Would you be at Magny-Cours on 24/25 August?

Regards,
Paulo

 

One other thing to note, this happened to me, I was at an event that FNA was attending, and they noted the mods on my prior car.

A friend had come up to me, and said a few guys were "seriously" looking at my car, and writing down things,etc..

I had a 348 that was fitted with twin turbos.. they didnt like that..

-A

 

i checked there website,the gain is unbelievable,(31 BHP @ 6000........) and increased rpm range,this is really something,i think i'm gonna do it!!!!!

 

Doesn anyone know first hand that if these will pass emissions testing ??

-A