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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by bill59, Sep 8, 2016.

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  1. SCEye

    SCEye F1 Rookie

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    No suggestion on car - already covered extensively by other posters.
    if bean town is Boston, Harvard has a pretty decent medical school. Not to mention all the good private docs. "all the docs" is very broad. Methink there are some pretty decent ortho docs near you.
    Beside driving the Ferrari (which is a very small part of a good life), a pain-free back is nice to have. Get a second opinion.
     
  2. alexion

    alexion Formula 3

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    There are rumored to be around 20 brought to the U.S. They don't come around often, but I own one.
     
  3. NeuroBeaker

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    Impressive! I first read about them about a year ago and thought my wife would love the concept of the Valeo transmission. She likes the idea of manual transmission cars, but struggles with the weight of the clutches on sporty cars.

    Interestingly, I think this might be a YouTube upload by a fellow FChatter:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKtajdD1hBc[/ame]

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  4. bill59

    bill59 Karting

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    First thank you for all the thoughtful comments. Sorry to be late here, but Back pain this morning so now catching up. Exactly what I was looking for as I have little actual experience with many models. I had mor access to cars in Phoenix. It was actually Andy Falbo who guided toward the 550 and arranged for me to drive one. He tried to push me toward the Barchetta, but I said Na, I think that one will appreciate too much:).

    I think those of you who commented on the V8's are right. Fond memories for now. Cars are very personal for me. I have driven several 430's but at the time I was looking to shift something and the classic front V12 is just sheer grins for me. The 550 still has some rough edges that make the driving interesting. So I need to move up the food chain. I like the sound of the 575, 599 or 612. So I need to back to the drawing board Tough problem to have I know

    Also thanks for the concerns on my health. I shouldn't tar all doctors. At one time I was in fact praying for spinal surgery but the surgeon wouldn't do it. But he said if you think you should here are two references! It's just been a long road to get to the right doc. Docs here were very spinal centric because of herniated discs. A chance encounter with a Neurologist sent me to an Osteopath who hit the nail in the head right away. Her muscle injections are excellent as is the coordinated PT. but I am like a bad penny, I just keep showing up. As you can imagine waiting to get into see people just takes time.

    The basic problem is that the muscles do not fire well on the left side. I think the combo of the jumbo clutch and twisting that is driving, exacerbated by clutching, is just too much. Driving any car was more than I could do for a long while.

    Sorry for rambling. I appreciate the good will and always perceptive insights. Bill
     
  5. Themaven

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    Andrew, UK-relevant info for the VALEO, which is all I have, is 2 RHD coupes and 4 cabrios made.
     
  6. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I think that a CS (or Stradale, Speciale) would be terror for your back. I had bad pain after a day as a passenger with TexasForever's, and I was perfectly healthy! Even 430s are not as smooth as a 550.

    I think you're really looking at the 612/599 or FF/F12s as your realistic, comfortable F1 options. Heck you might be able to get into an FF as a trade, or even $10-20K over your 550.
     
  7. speedy_sam

    speedy_sam F1 Veteran

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    +1
     
  8. Caeruleus11

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    Very sorry to read of your troubles. I was thinking the same thing about the FF. You should at least find one to test drive. It might be a good option.
     
  9. southnc

    southnc Formula 3

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    Sorry to see you're in pain - wishing you an eventual full recovery.

    Here are your choices, IMO.

    Virtually the same car with paddles (F1): 575 F1
    Similar GT with true Auto: 456 GTA
    Modern GT with similar engine and F1: 612 F1
    Modern GT with collaborative chain-driven engine and F1: 599 F1

    Best of luck.
     
  10. SonomaRik

    SonomaRik F1 Veteran

    If he has a bad back, not sure this is an improvement.
     
  11. ryalex

    ryalex Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Another thought about the FF is that it can be a true year-round car in Boston.
     
  12. SonomaRik

    SonomaRik F1 Veteran

    agree. I have a bad back/neck [some fusion--40% disabled]. We have decided on a FF for several reasons. Prices seem very nice lately on the older and still under warranty. [perhaps I should have kept that a secret :\ ]
     
  13. tres55

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    I'd stick to a GT if your back is having problems. 575 or 599 would be the toss up. Or maybe even a 612 if you need back seats.
     
  14. LightGuy

    LightGuy Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Everyone knows the new automatics are better in almost every way.
    I drive a stick because I enjoy it.
    If the joy is gone get an auto.
     
  15. Bluebottle

    Bluebottle F1 Veteran
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    Given the choice on offer in terms of front-engined V12 Ferraris, I guess the answer is going to be down to personal choice / budget / 2 or 4 seats. If I had to give up my 550 because I could not longer work a clutch, I think I would go for a 575 because it is as close to the 550 as one can get without a clutch, but I would be very tempted by the idea of an F12 (or, budget permitting, the new GTC4 Lusso, in order to have a Ferrari as a DD).

    I was very interested to read / watch the video about the Valeo - I never knew it existed, so thanks for that. Funny seeing Clarkson doing the article about the family hatchback or whatever, while the lady gets to drive the Ferrari!!!
     
  16. 4th_gear

    4th_gear F1 Rookie

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    You must understand your body is not like a car. You cannot fix it by just repairs alone.

    The body is a multi-system of balanced living parts that must be developed in equilibrium and kept in condition by exercise, proper nutrition and weight control. I'm not sure where you are in those departments since you've only mentioned doctors doing "repairs". Just repairing won't work but it's a lucrative business.

    Sports injury clinics are different. Those people require greater involvement from their patients with exercise and weight control regimens because they know their patients are not doing average mundane things with their bodies. Driving a manual 550 hard is not the same as commuting to work in a Honda Civic. The best drivers are athletes and those people get their medical attention from sports injury specialists.

    If you have back problems you may need to look at what your abdominal and lateral muscles are doing or are NOT doing. You need to check your weight and look at what you are doing when you are not driving. It's likely that those activities or lack of activities are making matters worse. If you are making unusual physical demands on your body, consult an expert on sports medicine, not the average specialist.
     
  17. bill59

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    I couldn't agree more. It's tough to admit you're old and don't recover as fast. My present doc is not a sports doc, but I did go to clinic with some. But I know Boston must have tremendous sports docs given the level of sports here. So I will pick that thread back up and see what I've missed. It's pretty much agreed that the various muscle groups are not doing what they should. PT has been good and bad. I get to some progress and then a set back, like anything else it takes preservence and the right doc. I never know what will do it. Gotta admit I didn't see the 550 as a problem because I was feeling pretty darn good. I am going to need to reset my expectations and begin again. I see my personal physician next week. Time for a new plan!
     
  18. Streetsurfer

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    #43 Streetsurfer, Sep 10, 2016
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    I am in alignment with 4th gear. Without also addressing the back further, the next car may become the pain in your back. That proper alignment and tracking of your joints can be worked on to provide a stabilized set of joints, less painfull movement, reduced impingement and better quality of life, would be my bet. I once sold a CJ-7 due to L5/S1 being herniated. It took about three years for that to stop plaguing me regularly. It seems to me at the 2-1/2 year point you may be just at the point where some real healing and restored range of motion can be had if you persiat with some restorative therapy.

    Perhaps read the book Total Body Training by Bob Gajda, triple crown body builder. Taking physical therapy under his guidance was a real eye opener for me regarding body mechanics and healing. When carple tunnel proglems later hit me, I applied what I'd learned in Gajda's clinic and recovered and was able to keep riding my motorcycles and bikes, and resume working with power equipment which had been exascerbating the problem. I used a gyro exercisers to stabilize and restore strength to the wrist joints throughout their full range of motion. My work at the time had been playing out the strenght in the joints, overstressing them in only certain directions, leading to improper tracking and rubbing of oarts that shouldnt rub.

    Building on your core, stabilizing joints by improving full range of motion strength, and some gentle stretching as needed by working the opposing muscles of any tight ones....all helped me resume my activities without surgery.

    Best wishes for good further recovery, and hoping you find the car that fits your needs.
     
  19. JG333SP

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    Find the doc who worked with Bird and his back, he could probably fix anything ha ha! All jokes aside find a good doc and do what they say-don't mess with your back

    Until then get an FF and sell me your 550 for cheeeep since I give such good advice. As others here mentioned that FF is the ultimate fcar when you live here-especially this time of yr when you know you're running out of days you can drive anything else Ferrari has built
     
  20. 4th_gear

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    Yeah, aging has also come as a bit of a shock to me. It's like one day I felt just like the young guy I used to be decades ago and the next moment I look in the mirror and there's an overweight grey-looking 60-year-old stranger staring back at me.

    I was determined to at least justify the youthful exuberance that I still felt. While injuries and medical conditions accumulated over the years restricted the exercises I could do I could still ride my bike as hard as I used to so that along with attention to diet and some weight training became the core of my rehabilitation and my everyday lifestyle.

    I think you will make a big difference in your recovery if you can find a specialist who understands your needs and knows you are willing and capable of restoring your health through a balanced physically-rigorous recovery plan. That person must also be able to explain to you exactly what is messing up your back and how that relates to the rest of your body and what you can do to correct the problem and strengthen your body. You gotta know how that part of your body works because if you don't, you'd just be shooting in the dark. Realize that it's only you who will be monitoring your progress 24/7 not someone you only see when you have an appointment so you have to be your own expert on your body.

    The really good doctors have true understanding of their craft and can explain what they know to anyone in appropriate language. It's a great feeling to know how your body works; and it's not unlike understanding how your baby works when you feel in-sync with the car as you are driving.

    Good luck!
     
  21. Bluebottle

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    Alternatively, follow the age-old maxim "a bottle of Burgundy a day keeps the doctor away"!
     
  22. Jürgen Geisler

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    Bill, I'm feeling sorry for your actual health condition....

    Honestly spoken, if I where in your condition, also for me it would be quiet difficult to find a new car.... The Maranellos are quiet unique, despite the fact that their successors are doing some things better. But that's the case with almost every Ferrari....

    What about a very nice 456 or nice 612? Almost everything is possible, and almost every mordern V12 Ferrari (strictly F1....��) is marketed below the value of a nice 550.... (not included the latest cars like F12 and by now.... an FF).



    Let your hard and your health decide in which direction you're moving…



    Saluti,

    Jürgen
     
  23. bill59

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    Thanks again. 4th___gear is on spot about finding that right doc. Been looking for him or her for awhile. As I said back to the drawing board. Somehow I plateau and then there I go again. I doubt I will do anything this year as the season rapidly drawing to a close and I just don't feel like letting go of the car right now. I will take a look at the FF tho. You never know which car will tickle your fancy. I have to say it is nice to have a car people are interested in. Had a note on the windshield the other day! So maybe, just to gather more empirical evidence I will have a drive today before my wife gets back from Nantucket. Although it would not surprise her when they use the jaws of life to get me out. Cheers.
     
  24. blackbolt22

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    I love my MT 430. I passed on a F1 shift car back in 2009 when I was looking.

    Fast forward. My GF has a 2012 Italia. I really enjoy driving that car, paddle shifts and all. I cannot imagine a car getting much better than it.

    Get a 458.
     
  25. bill59

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    Hah. A GF with an Italia is a home run. I am sort of noodling the F12 now. Having had long discussions with my wife I think it is time to move on-----from the car. :)
     

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