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  1. craze

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    #26 craze, Sep 19, 2022
    So you think they change formula and nothing to do with paying money to manufacturer?
     
  2. LorenzoR

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    #27 LorenzoR, Sep 19, 2022
    Does Anybody know if Castro edge is any good oil? I was thinking about 5W50 since I'm in Florida with a hottter climate
     
  3. Mario Andretti

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    #28 Mario Andretti, Sep 19, 2022
    I would not be concerned in a hotter climate ... not unless you track or consistently keep revs at 7k or so... but Castrol Edge is one of the top oils.. (the one for european vehicles, not the one which is only GM endorsed or so)

    It is BMW recommended oil since forever... I think a Redline or group V oil would be better in hot climates, but that's just me.
    ... again, just depends on how you drive the car.
     
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    #29 collegeboy, Sep 20, 2022
    Anyone use Amsoil?
     
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  5. craze

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    #30 craze, Sep 20, 2022

    They have been using shell now for a while
     
  6. LorenzoR

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    #31 LorenzoR, Sep 20, 2022
    How do you determine what a group V oil is,,Thanks
     
  7. Mario Andretti

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    #32 Mario Andretti, Sep 20, 2022
    It is usually listed in the Safety Data Sheet, if you can find it. Some manufacturers don't provide it... Redline, some Motuls, Amsoil are all oils which are group IV/V enhanced. Most of other "synthetics" are usually group 3 oils...made of crude oil and refined.
     
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    #33 Mario Andretti, Sep 20, 2022
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    #34 ttforcefed, Sep 20, 2022
    i used to...impossible to tell difference in oil outside of the track so i just use whatever the shop im using has
     
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    #35 clean512, Sep 20, 2022
    Most oil from the parts stores will only be group 3. have learned alot from bobistheoilguy. And sticking with professional products that I do the homework on
     
  11. flash32

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    #36 flash32, Sep 20, 2022
    Pennzoil will foam as well just a fyi

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  12. Mario Andretti

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    #37 Mario Andretti, Sep 20, 2022
    I used it in my Shelby GT350R (now sold) but I had the feeling that the engine became noisier somewhat, could not explain why... stopped using it and went back to Ford recommended oil. Never used since.
     
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    #38 AandSC, Sep 20, 2022
    I’ve never noticed any foaming, but I don’t track my 430.
     
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    #39 flash32, Sep 20, 2022
    If you search Ferrarichat..you will see it is a common compliant..Pennzoil states it is intentional to foam to protect better ..not sure if i buy it

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  15. Mario Andretti

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    #40 Mario Andretti, Sep 20, 2022
    I wonder if foaming is caused by higher oil level... Mine was close to the max when I changed it and it started foaming ( I had not enough initially with 8L of Redline, and I put in 1.5 and it was a little too much, ideally I would aim for mid way) . I will try to keep it just under mid way on my next change to see what happens.
     
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    #41 collegeboy, Sep 20, 2022
    Interesting. I always thought it was supposed to be the "best".
     
  17. Mario Andretti

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    #42 Mario Andretti, Sep 20, 2022
    Yes, and the reason I used it ... maybe I was wrong; maybe the thickness of the oil caused the hydraulic lifters in the GT350 engine to behave different, don't know.
    The Ford 5w-50 oil becomes a 0w-30 very quickly in its' life span... degrades a lot from my own oil analysis. Maybe on purpose.
     
  18. Martyb777

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    #43 Martyb777, Sep 22, 2022
    So Shell is the only oil that meets Ferrari requirements? My car was serviced when I bought it and the mechanic used Motul, but not sure which variant of Motul. I want to stick to what the mfg recommends, unless of course I cannot find it anywhere.
     
  19. Mario Andretti

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    #44 Mario Andretti, Sep 22, 2022
    I think all oils today which are API SL and above, and ACEA A3 and more meet the requirement... see the plaque on the engine bay. Shell has a partnership with Ferrari making dealers to use it. I think there are better oils than that like Redline, etc. Motul is a very good oil, keep using it if you used it and it does not foam in the engine... just make sure it is the right weight.
     
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    #45 swc5150, Sep 22, 2022
    I changed my oil yesterday with 5/40 Royal Purple (Euro formula), and very happy with the results. Back story, I started using RP in my ski boats (Mastercraft/Ski Nautique) on the advice of a Nautique engineer. The performance results/improvements in that environment are immediately noticeable...higher top end and smoother holding power at slalom speed. The 430 has never felt smoother to my butt now, but I also adjusted the PIS, so there's that. Regardless, my car has never felt so dialed in as it does right now.
     
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    #46 tazandjan, Sep 22, 2022
    In general, Shell oil sucks compared to the other alternatives. Kind of like Shell brake fluid, Shell coolant, etc.
     
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    #47 2NA, Sep 22, 2022
    I use Amsoil 5w40 European in nearly all the cars that I service.

    The products that Ferrari recommends are based more on sponsorship agreements than any beneficial reason.
     
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    #48 Mario Andretti, Sep 22, 2022
    Redline vs Amsoil test:

     
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    #49 ttforcefed, Sep 22, 2022
    Does he test amsoil vs mobile1?
     
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    #50 f355spider, Sep 22, 2022
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    Easier solution...the Ferrari approved oil for Europe...Shell Ultra Helix 5w-40 is being imported and available from ECS Tuning
    https://www.ecstuning.com/b-shell-parts/helix-ultra-5w-40-synthetic-engine-oil-4-liter/550040755~shl/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwj7CZBhDHARIsAPPWv3ep-FpoicfGgFHHurqHOfEyFBV-0aYs4hlb70NNfrilykiYYmjhc94aAlslEALw_wcB

    4 liter jug, $37. Free shipping over $49 order

    Although I think even this oil may have been superceded by the Shell Ultra Helix "racing" 5w-40, which would be different than the above listed oil.
     
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