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  1. moretti

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  4. Aircon

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    I wish I had! I thought they'd go broke long ago and that mainstream manufacturers would blow them out of the water. Instead, Tesla makes the best electric car on the planet and everyone's playing catch up...... Unsuccessfully
     
  5. Horse

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    Yes, no one has brought out anything comparable that I have seen.

    Only a matter of time though I would have thought.


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  6. Aircon

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    Ok.... If you say so
    I've been waiting a long time
     
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    Saw my first second hand Taycan turbo S on the market recently. Only $10k over sticker. Ford raptors got more of a premium than that for years.
     
  9. IanB

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    A very good summary of the reality behind "clean" electric cars:

    Electric vehicles require about three times more copper than internal combustion equivalents – plus lithium, cobalt and other metals for their batteries. Wind turbines need some 200 times more steel, copper, plastics, rare earths, concrete and other materials per megawatt than combined-cycle gas turbines. Photovoltaic solar panels have similar materials requirements. 100% “renewable, sustainable” Green New Deal electricity systems on US or Chinese scales would require millions of turbines, billions of solar panels and billions of half-ton Tesla-style battery packs for cars, buses and backup electricity storage.

    Those technologies, on those scales, would require mining at levels unprecedented in world history! And the environmental and human rights record we’ve seen for those high-tech metals is terrifying.

    Lithium comes mostly from Tibet and the Argentina-Bolivia-Chile “lithium triangle,” where contaminated lands and waters are poisoning fish, livestock, wildlife and people. Most cobalt is mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where 40,000 children and their parents slave in open pits and dark, narrow tunnels – and get exposed constantly to filthy, toxic, radioactive mud, dust, water and air. Broken bones, suffocation, blood and respiratory diseases, birth defects, cancer and paralysis are commonplace.

    Nearly all the world’s rare earth elements come from Inner Mongolia. Mining the ores involves pumping acid into the ground and processing them with more acids and chemicals. Black sludge from the operations is piped to a huge foul-smelling “lake” that is surrounded by formerly productive farmlands that are now so toxic that nothing can grow on them, and people and wildlife have just moved away. Here too, severe skin and respiratory diseases, cancers and other terrible illnesses have become commonplace.

    In many of these cases, the mining and processing operations are run by Chinese companies, under minimal to nonexistent pollution control, workplace safety, fair wage, child labor or other basic standards that American, Canadian, Australian and European companies are expected to follow.
     
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    Was that article commissioned by the Saudis?

    WhoM cares? They're just better to drive (as a daily)...so THE END

    I just purchased another electric scooter after I polluted the atmosphere with my old one. I don't care. I love electric.


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  11. moretti

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    Great, so what was their answer to all of the above ?

    Hydrogen ?
     
  12. moretti

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    Best thing to happen to electric thingos
     
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    The article (on electric buses) can be found in full here: https://www.cfact.org/author/duggan/

    There is a lot of discussion to be found online about extraction of rare earth minerals in China. The facts are undeniable because the vast toxic lakes can be seen from space. It is a mass pollution event that should be a global outrage, however it suits the green-left media to look the other way.

    Interesting reading about windmill magnets: https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/wind/big-winds-dirty-little-secret-rare-earth-minerals/

    95% of rare earths come from China, not because they only occur there, but because there is a total absence of pollution controls which would otherwise dramatically increase the price.
     
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    Hydrogen is a BS argument now adopted by the green-left to distract us from the failure of solar and wind.

    A lot of electricity is needed to separate Hydrogen from water, then the process is reversed in a fuel cell to make electricity, of which you recover about 70% of the power that went in. The delusion is that large scale solar farms will convert water to hydrogen, which is then piped to cities. The cost alone makes this untenable.

    The only alternative to coal or gas is nuclear. Small-scale thorium reactors buried underground and distributed through cities. It will never happen here, because 50 years of propaganda have implanted a Pavlovian fear in the population.
     
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    But Australia is the largest MINER of lithium - note it’s the refining, not the extraction which produces the toxins. I believe the previous refiners in Malaysia have been replaced by a plant in USA (Tx I think). We just shft the dirty bits out of our backyard.
     
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    Too horrible to broadcast to the masses
     
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    This?


    This?




    Or this?

     

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