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I need advice about paving my alley

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  1. Hessian

    Hessian Formula Junior

    Jan 22, 2005
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    I need to pave the half of my alley that leads to my driveway and garage for it to be Ferrari accessible. There are a few issues with respect to getting all of the neighbors on board (eventhough I'm doing the whole thing), but I think I've got that in hand. My real problem is that I don't know diddly about regrading and paving.

    Can a blacktop alley be put down in cool or cold weather?

    How long does it take to "set" and how much longer before it stops throwing little splotches of tar onto every car that drives over it?

    Is there anything special I should ask for, or any ripoff procudures I should refuse?

    I'll need about 100' X 8' paved with some modest regrading and leveling at the entrance (which is currently a small but steep concrete ramp followed by a large rut). The alley surface now is ostensably gravel, but mostly it's dirt. My guestimate for the cost was about $2500 (this is Virginia and labour is cheap). Any thoughts would be appreciated.
     
  2. URY914

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    Feb 17, 2004
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    I assume you are doing this with asphalt. First you need to strip the loose material off the top. I tractor with a box blade can do this. You may have to go down several inches (2-4) to get to good stablized material. Next depending on what the underlaying material is you made need to bring in a few inches of stone/gravel as a bed for the asphalt. Get some advice from some local parking lot paving type people. Don't bother calling big road paving companies. Stick to the little guys. They can be rough around the edges (and will be missing teeth) but they know what thier doing. The prices will vary as they will try to see what you'll pay not what the cost of the work is. DO NOT tell they you're doing this for your F-car.

    I work for a major construction company and deal with these guys a lot. Let me know if I can help some more.

    Paul
     
  3. tatcat

    tatcat F1 World Champ
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    when paving with asphalt the sub strata is the key to a long lasting job. don't spare the expense when doing the ground work. don't forget drainage. this is the kind of a job that looks simple but if not done properly first it will be back to bite you again and again.
     
  4. SRT Mike

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    If 100'x8' costs $2500 then either I got ripped on my driveway or labor really is a lot cheaper there.

    I think I paid $5000 for my driveway - it's maybe 60' long and 20' wide. They had to rip up the old driveway, they dug down about 8" or maybe more, put sand (I think) then rocks then a couple of layers of I-forget-what then brought this huge machine in that just left behind it a strip of tarmac - three strips and the driveway was done.

    They had a crew of about 10 guys that descended on my home around 6am and were gone around 3pm. They told me not to park on it overnight for at least 2-3 days. I got it done about 5 years back in November and it has held up fine - no cracks and it looks as good as the day they did it.

    I got several quotes all over the map and one guy was pretty firm on the price and told me he'd have it done in a day, 10 year guarantee, no BS, it would be done right - so I went with him.

    Not sure how much that helps but its a datapoint.
     
  5. bonedoc

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    I just did my driveway with recycled asphalt. It was $7500, and my driveway is 10' wide and 1500' long
     
  6. Hessian

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    Jan 22, 2005
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    I had a guy that came heavily reccomended by a few real estate agents (yes, he may have an arrangement with them, but their reputations are still on the line) come by and he'll call me with his estimate. He is a relatively small time guy, but perhaps a peg or two above Bubba n' Skeeter's A-1 Pavin'.

    Mike -
    I don't think you did get ripped off; if my estimate comes in around $3000, then that would makes sense for 2/3 of the square footage (800 sq ft for me vs 1200 for your driveway) and the cheap labor down here. There is no state minimum wage above the federal rate down here, and I seriously doubt that any day laborers will get more than $8-10/hr. Naturally, a trained assistant will cost more, but how many guys does it take to do this, does it really take 10?

    Paul -
    I might want your opinion of his suggestions. Is Mike's esperience typical with respect to what would be a reasonable time frame for this project from breaking ground to full usability of the new surface? With respect to the Ferrari, I was in a bind since it is absolutely imperative that a low riding, stiff suspensioned sports car make it over the hump and to my garage unscathed (after all that's the point of the project), but I didn't want to be quoted the "fool and his money" price for the job. Thus, I said that my father in law had a Corvette and I didn't want him to be enraged when he couldn't park it in the garage when he visited. I also left our 12 year old beater Honda out by the garage for him to see when he came by to do the estimate.
     
  7. Meister

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    I recently had an estimate done for what i thought were 2 small areas 15'X15' and 15'X20'.... estimate was $3500 not including sealer.

    I thought paving was a little more reaonsable...??

    Granted theres lots of heavy equipment involoved, but still.
     
  8. Hessian

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    Jan 22, 2005
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    I hoping that the marginal cost of the materials is not large compared to the equipment rental and that a long straight stretch might be the same price or cheaper than two separate areas. That being said, was $3500 the best quote you got?
     
  9. URY914

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    I would say a crew could easily knock this out in a day. There is no inspections and very little lay-out needed. Driving over it the next day would be OK, just don't park on it. Good thinking on the 'Vette story. Let me know what he comes back with. I may not be able to do much from in front of my computer but who knows. Also how does he want to be paid? Don't pay him a dime until he shows up. Now you could say 50% when you start and the rest when he's loaded up and ready to driving away. He may knock off a few bucks if you pay him in cash not a check.
     
  10. Hessian

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    Jan 22, 2005
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    Cash? Jaysus. Counting out rolls of bills is not a regular feature of life in the world of biochemistry; using a credit card instead of a preapproved purchase order is living on the bleeding edge. I remember when I sold a couple of buckets of pre-1964 silver quarters and the purchaser pulled out a fat wad of hundreds. He was a bit shocked that I'd prefer a recored transaction to the prospect of walking around all day with enough cash in my pocket that anyone who mugged me would almost have to kill me.

    Obviously, I understand the appeal. Wouldn't they be more likely to run off without properly finishing if the initial payment was in cash? I worry too much. Thanks again for all the advice. Once the project is a go, I'll post photos of before, during, and after.
     
  11. Hessian

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    Jan 22, 2005
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    The verbal estimate from the "best" paver is now in my voicemail; I still await the written proposal. He quoted me $2000 and said we would need 16 tons of gravel (I don't know if this is inlcuded in the price, but it should only add about $400 if it's not included). He proposes a 3" asphalt surface (he may have described the type of asphalt, but I'd have to check the message again). All of this sounded reasonable to me, so let's hope he shows up and gets the job done.
     
  12. URY914

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    If he shows up he will finish the job, so paying in cash won't be a problem. Working for cash is just the way they do business. Keeps it off the books and out of the bank.

    It sounds like your getting close. Keep us posted.
     
  13. Hessian

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    Jan 22, 2005
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    Well, I haven't been home to look at the work yet; so, for now, it's "done". This guy has been straight with me about everything up to this point, so I'm cautiously optimistic.
    I have the "before" photos. I'll post the before and after shots tomorrow when I can get shots in the daylight.
     
  14. thecarreaper

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    would love to see pics as well. i would like to put down an extra parking area in my backyard!! :)
     
  15. Hessian

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    My wife took a peek on her way back to work and gave it a thumbs up, but she drives the CR-V, so it's all acedemic to her. The paver did mention my "father in law's Corvette" and he was confident that even a "car like that" wouldn't scape.
    I can't wait to get home and smell my new alley.
     
  16. thecarreaper

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    :) the smell comment was great! i lived in Torrance California. went to the Tar Pits ( La Brea?) alot..... they smelled the same way!
     
  17. URY914

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    Soooooo.... how's it look and what was the final price?
     
  18. Hessian

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    #18 Hessian, Nov 22, 2006
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    It looks good. At the very least my BMW doesn't scrape (it's in the garage now). The final cost was $2000, as promised. He did the job all on Monday. I was imprisoned at work, so I had my wife take a few photos. Unfortunately, eventhough she is an excellent photographer and she was well aware of the purpose of the project, the photos aren't too informative. Nevertheless here they are. The lighter colored material in the foreground is the beginning of my already paved driveway.
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  19. URY914

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    That looks good. So is it covered in snow yet? Sorry, I'm in Florida.


    Happy Thanksgiving.
     
  20. Hessian

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    Jan 22, 2005
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    No snow yet; we're in Virginia, not Maine. That being said, my wife and I drove up Rt 29 to DC in a steady 36 degree rain. I'd rather have snow than a cold rain, and I generally hate snow.

    Thanks again to everyone for their advice and comments about their own small paving projects.
     
  21. thecarreaper

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    pics look great !!! you should not scrape any cool car on that clean surface ! :)
     

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