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Which photo looks better on your monitor?

  1. A. (Processed using Kodak's PictureProject)

  2. B. (Processed using Photoshop CS3)

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  1. TexasMike

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    #1 TexasMike, Nov 24, 2007
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    Some background:

    I only recently started using the RAW setting on my camera when shooting. Ever since I've used the software that came with my Nikon D50 to convert the RAW images to JPEG files. I've never had any other programs that are compatible with Nikon's version of RAW files (.nef), so I always just immediately convert the pics to JPEG's.

    My problem:

    I just started using Photoshop CS3 to convert the RAW images to JPEG's and the photos look drastically different. The colors look a lot darker. The problem I'm having is that I know that neither of my two computer monitors are very high quality so I'm not sure which method produces a more accurate image.

    A couple of questions;

    1: Does it make sense that CS3 would process the RAW images differently than other programs.

    2: Which photo looks better on your monitor, A or B?

    Any input or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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  2. TexasMike

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    #3 Dubai Vol, Nov 24, 2007
    A looks far better; there is a serious contrast problem with B. I'm no expert, but I have used a number of image editing programs and results are often significantly different. I just go with what works best, and A is the clear choice here.
     
  4. Razzer92

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    #4 Razzer92, Nov 25, 2007
    1st one looks ALOT better!
     
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    #5 jorge.rios, Nov 25, 2007
    +1

    It looks better and the color highlights more...
     
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    #6 Gonzalo92, Nov 25, 2007
    yea the 1st looks a lot better
     
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    #7 kvisser, Nov 25, 2007
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    I've recently started using raw for my images with in the past 6 months and love it. I have a fuji s3 pro which is nikon base so it creates nikon files. I don't have the contrast problem your images seems to be suffering from. One thing I would try to click on the default button towards the top to see if you have some screwy settings accidently selected.

    I've had PS bridge/ps bail me out of some tricky lightly situations or white balance problems. I would keep playing with it.

    best of luck

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    #8 TexasMike, Nov 25, 2007
    What "tool" or "button" do you use to convert your RAW images to JPEGs. Maybe I'm doing it all wrong?
     
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    #9 TexasMike, Nov 25, 2007
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    Okay, here is what it looks like when I open a single RAW image. I have done no adjustments. The "default" button isn't highlighted since I have not edited anything yet. But as you can see the image still doesn't look right.
    It's very frustrating and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, if anything.
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    #10 Christian.Fr, Nov 25, 2007

    cleary A is the right choice, better finition better colors, pictures B i too mat finition, i m trying to use PC3 but i think that prefer to used my last program photofiltre...probably the habits.


    Need time for study P C3.
     
  11. TexasMike

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    #11 TexasMike, Nov 25, 2007
    LOL... that's funny. I also use Photofiltre but it isn't compatible with RAW images.
     
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    #12 Rev.ATARI, Nov 25, 2007
    Photoshop does not seem to support your cameras RAW format, from what I understand Photoshop down converts the files to 8 bit and or has issues with reading the white balance.

    http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

    info on the white ballance
    http://www.bythom.com/raw.htm



    BTW can I get a copy of the original? I want to play with a few photoshop action I made to see if I can get a better looking picture using photoshop
     
  13. TexasMike

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    #13 TexasMike, Nov 25, 2007
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    Here is the same photo but I opened it using Nikon's software. No adjustments were made. As you can see, the image looks a lot different.
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    #14 TexasMike, Nov 25, 2007
    Sure, PM me your email address and I'll email it. It's over 5MBs.
     
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    Not compatible with RAW? That would be strange since RAW contains the most information and gives the photographer the most latitude to alter the picture once it's been imported. Also, your results are user driven. What I'm saying is that "you" determine what the final pic looks like; contrast, brightness, tone, etc.

    I can't comment on Kodak's product, but PS is capable of doing just about anything to an image, especially if it is in RAW format. Maybe I'm missing something here but those two photos can easily be switched by changing the controls within the programs.
     
  17. TexasMike

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    #17 TexasMike, Nov 25, 2007
    They are Nikon's version of RAW. The files are actually .NEF files.
     
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    Abobe supports RAW in Photoshop however the RAW file format is not the same with all companies and beyond that some companies like Nikon use their own file format. Because of this non standard use of RAW image format things don’t always work correctly in Photoshop or some other programs.
     
  19. TexasMike

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    #19 TexasMike, Nov 25, 2007
    Which really sucks when the program cost $1000. :D
     
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    Well don’t feel bad I paid $2500 for the master collection
     
  21. TexasMike

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    #21 TexasMike, Nov 25, 2007
    I don't feel bad since I'm only using the "30 day free trial period". It's CS3 Extended and I downloaded all the updates including Camera RAW 4.3 but the photos still look like crap.

    Thank you for the links. It looks like Capture NX might be worth a try.

    Yes, I know I can adjust the colors and all that jazz but that's not the point. I want the photo to look like it does when I take the photo. PS is not displaying the photo accurately. I being the "user" know what the photo should look like and PS is not accurate when used with my files. I'm not one of those photographer's that likes to heavily modify my images. I try to produce the final image when I press the shutter.
     
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    Sent
     
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    #24 Rev.ATARI, Nov 25, 2007
    Thank you


    Also in the Photoshop RAW viewer change the “white balance” to sunlight instead of “as shot”
     
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    #25 kvisser, Nov 25, 2007
    Run the adobe updater program. If you are on the mac, you will find it in the Applications/Utilities directory. See if your camera raw needs to be updated.

    cheers

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