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I really need some advice.......marriage in crisis....

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  1. Davey

    Davey Rookie

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    Hi all,

    I have been to this site fairly often, and I do feel that the wisdom and advice shared by most of you is quite sensible and good hearted. I am hoping to get some advice, or feedback.

    I have been married for 3 1/2 years. Yesterday, I find out that my wife had lied about her age. Instead of her being 2 1/2 years older than me as I had always thought, she is, in fact, 5 1/2 years older than me.

    Before we ever met, I had dated a woman around 9 years older than I. It was the first time I had ever done that. She ended up getting pregnant about 4 months into the relationship, and ended up giving birth to the light of my life, my daughter. I ended up leaving her while my daughter was still in diapers, knowing that I could never be happy with her. I know that some friends and family members felt that I had been trapped, however I preferred not to believe that. Bottom line is that she is the only person in the world who will ever know the truth.

    Then I end up meeting this new person. She tells me she is divorced, with no kids. Things started to move forward. When she saw that things were moving forward, she decided that it was the right time to tell me that she had 2 teenage children from her previous marriage. She felt that it wasn't anything that I needed to know because she didn't think it was going to get serious. Anyways, I was okay with that. Things progressed, and we decided to get married. It has been 3 1/2 years now, and they have been very wonderful years. She lets me be me. We laugh a lot together, and just genuinely enjoy each other's company.

    I was a little leary about an almost 3 year age difference, and now I find out that it is actually closer to 6 years. If I would have know her true age to begin with, I would have never pursued it. Regardless, here I am today. She had withheld the fact that she had 2 kids, and now with the age. I asked her to spill her guts yesterday, and she swears that there is nothing else that she is hiding. Now we have a trust issue.

    We have a great life together, and I had envisioned being with her for the rest of our lives. Needless to say that I had a rather sleepless night last night, with so many thoughts running through my head.

    I don't know what to do.
     
  2. jarends

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    Age means nothing,

    Trust alot, but can be restored if love is there.

    That's the question, she shouldn't have done what she did, but sometimes fear of loss cripples us.

    Forgive and forget, love and be happy, a good relationship is priceless.

    J
     
  3. kenny

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    How come this is your very first post on Ferrarichat?? In the last 3 years, have you never been to family gatherings or birthday parties where long ago high school or collge classmates of hers attended that would talk about what year she graduated, or how old she was when so and so did this in that year and so forth??

    When you were getting married, didn't any of her family member ask you how old you were? or you ask about her age? not out of suspicion.. Just general conversation..
     
  4. Hubert888

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    yes...i agree that age means nothing. 6 years? that's a relatively small amount of time compared to your entire life span.
    what really matters is love. if you love her....then that is all that counts. stay together. however if the love somehow is missing, then u must do what u got to do.
     
  5. Doody

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    it sounds like you might be well served by some professional advice as opposed to whatever a bunch of random goons like us on an internet chat site have to say.

    doody.
     
  6. imperial83

    imperial83 F1 Rookie
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    Well, to be candid, only you have the answer to your question. If you still love her and the trust can grow back into the relationship then you should stay. If that trust is lost forever thean I am afraid you might have to swallow the bitter pill.
     
  7. Davey

    Davey Rookie

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    I guess you could call me one of those "lurkers"!

    Both of our families live out of state, so no such situation has arisen. The friends that we do have here, age has never been part of a discussion. I don't think any of her friends know how old she really is.

    As far as a wedding, we decided to go to Vegas, without much family or friends there, so the discussion of age never came about.
     
  8. Forza1

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    Personally I would have taken off after finding she had two children and withheld that from you... I say you start shopping for someone a bit more honest and upfront(your age of course ;) ).



    -DC
     
  9. Davey

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    Maybe so.

    Because I have a lot of respect for what the members have to say here, I value your thoughts and views. Maybe I will be able to see something that I have overlooked. Maybe someone can look at it differently and share that with me. It never hurts to hear other peoples' views and thoughts.

    Ultimately, I know it is down to me.
     
  10. JOEV

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    I agree with Mr. Doody in that you should seek some professional counselling etc. But having said that, I will offer my $0.02 which in this case is probably worth even less than that, since I have never been married.

    The age difference is not the issue. The issue is that she is a liar. She has lied to you twice and her claim that there is nothing else to divulge is pretty much meaningless, coming from a proven liar.

    People have of course salvaged their relationships from far worse transgressions so at the end of the day, it's up to you alone as to whether the good outweighs the bad and you decide to move forward.

    FWIW, I really don't see how her true age is only coming to light now - aren't there all sorts of legal requirements to be met pre-marriage that would require a lot of info incl. age?
     
  11. kenny

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    Hmmm, that is odd, doesn't seem like she's particularly open to introducing you to her past very much, but seems like neither are you, if you got married in Vegas without the presence of your family and friends.... I hope it all works out...
     
  12. DrStranglove

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    Run.

    If she is capable of lying to you effectively and efficiently over a span of months.... Run.


    But this is also very true;

     
  13. davem

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    Here is my 2 cents.
    She did'nt want to scare you off with her age and kids when you first met.
    Perhaps you told her of the age gap with your ex and she did the math.
    Anyways if your happy otherwise i would leave it be.
     
  14. Schatten

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    IMO, you'll forget about it after 5 years thinking to yourself, it is only a few more years. It's nothing critical, but yes, it does breach trust issues. However, it is the trust between you and her, not from anything external. That in itself, should tell you there isn't anything extra-marital going on. Perhaps in five or ten years down the road, you'll remember this as a speed bump, small hurdle or other little item that you eventually got over.

    Give it time.. you'll figure out what is important to you. And if age is that? Well, you are in a great relationship right now that has worked well for you for years. Look around at others who have failed relationships, and I bet you that age didn't have anything to do with it.
     
  15. 134282

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    Dude, it's not the age you should be sweating. So now you know of the true age difference; does that make the last 3 and a half years any less memorable...? Does that make all those intimate times any less meaningless...? No. Absolutely not.

    Dude, your sole concern here should be the lacxk of honesty. A few months i one thing; a few years after marriage is entirely different. You have every right to question the strength of the trust in the relationship.

    On the other hand, what little you've said here on a public internet chat forum indicates strong feelings towards sizeable age differences. i can only imagine how magnified those feelings must be in private. Voicing such strong emotions would certainly keep her truth at bay, which is a possibility as to why she waited to so long to say something in the first place.

    Don't sweat the age, dude, it's the honesty that's the issue.

    When i was 17, i dated a woman who was... older. i trusted her more than any of the girls i'd dated who were remotely close(r) to my age; age is just a number...


    Lastly, Doody's advice is the most sound. You get what you pay for and free marital advice on an automotive enthusiast's website is not exactly the uncovered treasure of the century. Good luck, dude. Hang in there...
     
  16. Davey

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    I guess there are a few more things that I can add;

    Her kids weren't much of an issue to me. One of them has never lived with us, and the other is 18 years old and is a good, responsible kid. I can understand her keeping that to herself, for when I was a single dad in the dating world, I would never introduce my daughter to anything that didn't seem to be serious. Why introduce them to something after they have acquired the instability of a broken family?

    I asked my wife why she had lied to me. I asked her if she was sorry for doing that. She told me that she was hoping this would have never become an issue. She said that should the day arrive where I found out, she would accept the consequences, for the time that we shared together was well worth it. I truly don't believe that she has lied to me on any other matter - even though now I do question it. My instincts tell me that she has been truthfull on every other matter.

    I know that she loves me. Out of all of the women I have ever been with, she is the only one that I can say is my soul mate. I have never been with someone where it is so easy to be myself, day in and day out (and we all know how we can be once we get comfortable in a relationship, and the "courting" period has come and gone).

    I have to figure out how much this bothers me, and whether I can move forward or not. Of course, having just found this out, my feelings are very pure and concentrated right now. A million things have gone through my head since yesterday. I have to get to the point where I can think clearly and decide what truly is important to me. I know that you don't meet your soulmate every day, if ever.

    I really do appreciate everyone's input. Even though this is a car site, everyone's had their experiences and may be able to shed new light on the situation.
     
  17. 134282

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    Davey, one thing that bothers me here is birthdays... If one child lives with you, how come age NEVER became a topic whenever your wife had a birthday...? No age jokes, nothing...? That's the only thing that sounds a bit weird about this whole thing.
     
  18. Davey

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    I have celebrated 3 of her birthdays with her since we've been married. What that will usually consist of is the usual cards and gifts. Also, a nice dinner out is part of that (just myself and her). Yes, I will joke around about her age, about her being older than I, and that is all that it stays as - jokes. To be honest with you, I don't know if her kids really know how old she is, if they do, it has never come up at birthday time. I know when I was 18, I wasn't 100% sure what my parents' ages were. I was a typical selfish teenager.

    Since I work later hours than my wife, when she gets a card from her kids, it is usually after school, and when my wife gets home from work, and I have not arrived home yet. it is not anything that they wait for me for. If you can imagine, I was introduced to her kids when they were teenagers. They were far beyond the age where they would accept a new parental role from anyone new. I am quite okay with that, I just demand that the rules of the house be followed. So when it comes to intimate events, like a birthday, it is between my step-daughter and my wife, or between me and my wife, the two don't really cross paths.
     
  19. kenny

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    How did you find out how old she really is?? Did she volunteer this information?? Or did you come across her drivers license or something??

    See no evil, hear no evil...

    If her kids managed to grow up having a positive relatinship with her mom without knowing this info, I don't really see why you can't either.. Good luck...
     
  20. darth550

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    First of all, someone who lies about something like whether or not they have children is rediculous. A simple, "I'd rather not discuss that" or (God forbid) the truth would do just fine in this case. Forgiving this lie leads to more lies.

    And now the age lie? What could possibly come next?

    Why does she feel the need to lie about fundamentals such as these in order for you to marry her? Better seek the advice/counsel from someone who actually knows your personal situation.

    Remember the saying: F*ck me once, shame on you..... f*ck me twice, shame on ME!

    DL

    ps. I realize in affairs of the heart, this may come off a little harsh but you asked.
     
  21. Davey

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    A couple of weeks ago, we found ourselves in the emergency room. Some of her medical documents had birthdates on them. I asked her about that and she said that they must have made a mistake. Then last week, she got a speeding ticket. I looked it over and saw an incorrect birthdate written on there, so I asked her about it. Being the second incident where this came about, I demanded to see her license. Sure enough, my confirmation was there.
     
  22. BigTex

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    Weigh the plus, weigh the minus.

    It sounds like the relationship is worth more than your disappointment. Age is just a number, but trustworthiness is a much bigger issue.

    My lovely first wife brought me a real eyeopener after we lost our first child.
    It was a "full disclosure" type item as well. What can you do, man?

    Take a penalty stroke, or "play it as it lays"!!! WHACK!!

    If she's good to you, and good FOR you, I'd think that'd be enough.

    Women are pretty uptight about years. Myself, I'm more concerned with "previous owners" and "mileage"!!

    Speedy"Just play a counselor, on TV"308
     
  23. BigTex

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    Post a pic of the two of you in your profile.

    We'll all look deep into her eyes and give you the "she loves you, keep her", or "shifty and can't be trusted" response.

    Dude, I think it's much ado about nothing really. It doesn't sound like either one of you are spring chickens! I had a run of older gfs for awhile, and they were GREAT!!! You don't find your match (for myself here) dealing with Barbie dolls!! It takes a few experiences in life to appreciate a fine wine over MD 20/20.

    That said a good conselor that you both enjoy can be money very well spent.
     
  24. matkat

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    Have you thought of the reason why She lied?By reading what you have posted I would think that She did"nt want to put you off, and the lies just got pushed further and further back until She probably thought the lie was actually the truth,I would be worried about any other lies.If Iwas in this situation I would give it one last try,tell her to come clean(because there is obviously more,there always is)if She says there is no more then warn Her its Her last chance,if you find out anything else then the marriage is over.
    Good luck.
    Dave Mc
     
  25. darth550

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    So she lied as recently as a couple of weeks ago???????

    DL

    edit. She INSTINCTIVELY lied in the hospital instead of telling the truth (even after years of marraige)! AND.....It took an emergency room experience to get to the truth.

    You should get those records.
     

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