I think I've changed my mind re AC (York/Sanden)

I'm also replacing my York compressor with another York. You can't beat the price (less than $150), it'll bolt right in and, even if it doesn't cool as well as the Sanden, I'll never drive the car when it's 100+ degrees out.

Are you going to do the swap yourself?

 

To each their own. Want to purchase my old York? Condition unknown.


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The chemical will make a bigger difference than the choice of compressor. In a 308, a York with R12 will ALWAYS 100% OF THE TIME OUTPERFORM A SANDEN WITH 134.

This is an indisputable fact and anyone on earth disagreeing with me is 100% wrong 100% of the time.

Case closed.

 

I did the conversion when my OEM Italian compressor went. It is a much simpler conversion and takes the belt tension-er assembly out of the equation. Also because it is smaller it is easier to move around when doing a belt change. I can't compare how it cools vs. the R12 but my vet temps are just under 50* in 95* temps. As we all can guess but if you increase the size of the condenser and the evaporator it would most likely be more efficient.

 

I always thought the reason they originally used the York compressors on USA cars and Sanden on Euro was the York performed better. If thats not the reason, what is?

 

If you had 12 it would blow even colder.

If you do as you suggest above, you will see an improvement with 134's performance - but this is simply never done except in a few very rare cases. 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time a lying ass or completely cluless mechanic will just screw two cute little red and blue caps on your existing schrader valves, charge with 134, take your money and watch you drive away after lying to you that everything will be just fine and your a/c will work just as well as before when it was charged with 12.

^^^ This WILL NOT work like people want to believe it will.

DO NOT DO IT unless you enjoy getting ****ed in the ass bone dry by a shop.

And once again, my usual statement: I am 100% right and ANYONE INCLUDING EVERY SINGLE MECHANIC READING THIS ON PLANET EARTH IS 100% WRONG IF THEY DISAGREE!!!!


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Twenty million over-the- road diesel rigs that are factory equipped with Yorks just can't be wrong. Jq.

 

LOL , now tell us how you really feel. I find it interesting if anyone believes that 134 is equal to R12 but then again there are a lot of naive people in the world.

 

I walked the walk two times on two different cars with 12 to 134 and I was so ******* mad that I will never EVER forget it.

Big, HUGE bills to go back to 12 and get it right again. The shop owners should be jailed and I am not kidding. Stole from me pure and simple.

I am here to warn others WITH THE TRUTH and I will continue to do so

 

Mike,

When I redid the AC system in my 328, my mechanic (second generation, Ferrari trained) recommended going back with the York unit, as did the mechanics at Classic Coach, a major Ferrari shop here in NJ. Their rational: The York unit is less expensive, needs no adapters, bolts right up, and works just fine. I went with the York and the system works really well.

As Tommy says (when he isn't ranting), the big issue is 134 vs. 12. Around here, the 12 is really, really expensive vs. the cost of 134. I went with 134, and the cooling is adequate. In fact, it gets cold enough to freeze the coil in the passenger compartment. I'm sure that 12 will do an even better job cooling, but if it is getting cold enough to freeze the coils up, I can't see how making it even colder would make much of a difference.

That's just my $.02. YMMV, but that's my experience with the 328.

Steve

 

Then get a Sanden capable of running either.
Of course we don't know if that will be compatible with R134's scheduled replacement.

 

That has always been my experience with my 308 gtb, since new. Driving in hot weather everything would be fine for a while. The AC would cycle on and off but after a while I would notice the AC not cycling and the cabin getting stuffy. Evaporator would freeze up. 12 or 134. Plus, driving on a sunny day it's never the cabin temp that is the problem. I can get it down to 72 even on the hottest days( with no freeze up). But there is so much direct radiation hitting my upper legs, arms and chest through the windshield I just feel hot. It's like sitting under a sun lamp in an air conditioned house. Air temp and convective cooling can only remove so much of the radiant heat from the body.

 

I have always said, if you do it and like it, great. That isn't the problem. The real issues are KEEPING the 134 in the system (it will seep out everywhere eventually on most of these cars, although it is cheap to refill) and any expectation that is is as good or better than before with 12.

I am just here to make people aware of problems BEFORE they do it. Once 134 is in, it is IN and you are going to have to open your wallet BIG time to go back the better way. You think R12 is expensive? Try replacing almost everything, then buying some.

 

Where do you get a replacement for $150?

What about a Sanden with 12?

 

I would assume the cost to return would be minimal if done yourself but would be expensive to have a shop do it. Other then the cost of R12 the only thing I would change is receiver/drier and maybe compressor oil which now is comparable to both. Just do a flush and pump it down for 24 hrs and leak test and fill it back up. Parts are cheap as is my time being retired. The cost would be getting the R12 especially in NY.

 

I want to know how the OP has 260hp

 

This made me very nervous.
I almost closed my account so I didn't have to see the fallout.


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I have the stock york system, and am running freeze 12 and so far - 3 years running the AC works well. even in very hot humid traffic days here in atl...
now when I mean well... in stop and go traffic as long asyou are moving you will have some cool air, but the sun will heat up your left side... on the open road its actually very plesant... in a cloudy day - its cold...

if you have to sit for more than 10 min stationary in bright sun... forget it. the system cant ovecome the heat.

I do have to top up the supply of Freeze 12 every spring... and they are not making it any more...so not sure what will be next...

 

I was about to say....