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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by 1oldf, Dec 25, 2007.

  1. solofast

    solofast Formula 3

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    George,

    You probably have to accept that your car was 0124. How many of these early cars had an extra set of pickup truck (or perhaps it was JC Whitney) tail lights installed in the exact same place as your car had, as seen in the Elkart Lake photo in 1952. Not likely any other car than 0124....

    The rest of the differences between your car (aside from the windshield) and 0124 as seen in other pics are the hood strap, the Ferrari side logos and the front turn signals. All of which could be installed on a Saturday afternoon armed with nothing more than an electric drill and could easily have been added to the car any time between 1952 and 1957. In particular the turn signals would likely have been added just to make the car legal since it was a street car at the time. Add to that the diffrences in hood and front fender shape, the placing of the nose badge, all of which are really hard things to change, and I don't think there is any question at this point that you had 0124 for a time. While some others, by process of elimination were convinced a while ago, I think this photo seals the deal.

    The only other way you will ever know for sure is to climb under the cowl and open the trunk of 0124 and see if you can see any vestiges of the mods that were on the car when you had it.

    Baring that, I think you can honestly say that you owned 0124 for a while in 1957 and enjoy the memories......
     
  2. Ed Niles

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    Doncha love the crowd control in these old pix? A wonder that more were not killed.
     
  3. epdowd

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    Uh, Ed? Weren't you in charge of that stuff?
     
  4. Ed Niles

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    No, I was just a lowly turn marshal. Crowd control was some other poor volunteer.
     
  5. Miltonian

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    I'm not suggesting that this is the same car, I just thought it was funny. This is from Autoweek, Nov 1, 1969.

    You know, those "Amil Amiga" roadsters are pretty rare!
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  6. Horsefly

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    Just as rare as the 12 Volt rear ends and electric wenches that show up in the parts ads in the local paper!
     
  7. 246tasman

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    Wotcha talka bout? Ferrari he made plenty amil amigas an won a plenty time too.
     
  8. Ryan S.

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    whats the value of this car today?
     
  9. 2000YELLOW360

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    Absolutely great thread. Saw a lot of people I'd met over the years in the various pics. When I knew them, most of them had retired, but they were still impressive.

    Art
     
  10. 1oldf

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    This car is #0118 that was sold to Ron Kellogg with the V8. The Kimberly car #0124 is my old Ferrari. No doubt...............Thank you all again for responding to this thread and giving me peace of mind as to my Question. FerrariChat is really a fine community and I feel pleased to have been a small part of it with this thread. Happy Motoring.....................These are my current toys......George
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  11. Christian.Fr

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    great thread read with passion for find the id of your car.

    never more with Ferrari?
     
  12. 1oldf

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  13. pastmaster

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    George,

    When you first posted about the identity and history of your car, way back from the 50's, i said you were going to be in for a fantastic experience with the great people who comprise this great FChat Site! I think I was right, YES? A tremendous thread and postings of you car.

    Your a Ford GT owner now. Twice! The Ford GT, would have never existed, without Ferrari's, Enzo's and the Le Mans race, and Henry Ford II's will, after the deal to buy Ferrari, fell through. The butting of heads of two of the world's most famous men in the history of the Automobile, and it's epic circumstances after all the smoke had cleared. There exists the Ferrari heritage with in the DNA, the Bloodlines, of the FORD GT!

    It was a great ride and we did find the proof of that one picture, that it was 128. Am I correct?

    Ciao...Paolo "The DUDE"
     
  14. 1oldf

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    #0124 is the winner..................no doubt.
     
  15. ClassicFerrari

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    I have been watching this since day one. Amazing how it all came together. There was a couple of months where it was quiet but then boom. Done!

    Don't forget to update your staus now to "Previous cars owned": 0124 :D
     
  16. pastmaster

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    George, Sorry about the error, 128, should have said 0124. Both numbers were also Fiat models, back in the 70's. Must have something in my memory about them. :)

    Now, does 124 exist today? The next quest for you if it does, just like Indiana Jones movies.

    Ciao...Paolo
     
  17. 1oldf

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    The last info. I have on 0124A shows Rene Maspoli, Corseaux, CH. If anyone has an update to this, please post. Thanks again............George
     
  18. tongascrew

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    What isthe date of this info?? thanks tongascrew
     
  19. 1oldf

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    According to Bertdeboer, Rene Maspoli is the current owner...............
     
  20. SupercarGuru

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    Love the wheels and side graphics on your Blue GT !
     
  21. 1oldf

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    Just something a little different..............George
     
  22. Terry Buffum

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    George,

    0124A had a dry sump engine. Do you recall if your car was so equipped? I think that was unusual for 340, so if yours had one, I think that is absolute confirmation. The tank was huge, holding something like 14 quarts.

    I knew of 0124A from about 1960. When I first encountered the car, it was in at Dorn's repair shop in Palo Alto with a broken ring gear. The mechanic charged with the repair (Chester King) subsequently came to work for Go Power, where I was employed. The car was given to Chet's brother-in-law (Joe Newton) when parts could not be found (and, likely, to hide the fact that "Ben" had purchased it from his educational trust fund while a student at Stanford). After Joe's death, Bob Gangemi bought the car from Mrs. Newton. I traded Bob a number of antique guns for it and 0169 circa 1970. Although Gangemi had started a restoration, the ring gear was still broken until I obtained a replacement from Dick Merritt.

    The rather ugly windshield was on the car when I got it, and, apparently had been for some time as the paint under it was a darker color than the rest of the car, likely the result of oxidation of the majority of the paint. I don't recall big tail lights, but they certainly could have been there, and I would have had Griswold remove them!

    Terry
     
  23. ClassicFerrari

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    Just when you thought this thread couldnt get any better!

    Welcome Terry and thanks for your input!
     
  24. 1oldf

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    Thank you Terry, yes, 0124A had the dry sump with very large capacity. When I owned it, I also broke the ring gear and borrowed one from an owner doing a restoration in NewPort Beach until I had one shipped in from Italy. The windshield you refer to was Jag. XK120 that was on it when it came to me. With your reply I feel that we have filled in the blanks for this old Ferrari. 0124A FOR SURE.............George P.S. As an aside, the question remains as to how 0124A went from Hastings Harcourt in Santa Barbara to Mike Vernola in Italy and finally to me at the harbor in Long Beach, Calif. Some questions may never be answered???
     
  25. MJarrettR

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