If Hamilton didn't win his first title to date. **Spoilers**

I would agree with this until LH makes a good year next year. With just a small adjustment in decision making/patience he is in the top 3 in my opinion. Others have exceeded him this year. We all know things change and go in cycles.

Not surprised at all if he would win the title next year. Personally I feel fave is RedBull then Mclaren for the title. Ferrari a distant 3rd if they dont solve the tire pressure/temp problem with their chassis.

 

" a little reminder for the haters, you know who you are..." Just have 'em cinch up the strait jacket another notch or three.

 

IMHO I have no doubt Hammy will only get better and better but only time will tell and in the spirit of fair play jackets should be issued for some Hammy fan's aswell.

 

Watch F1 and you have to admit Hamilton puts on the best show. F1 without Lewis would be back to the dullest form of racing- passing in the pits.

Lewis goes for it.... he is amazing in the rain, on cold tires, and takes chances like he has a 6th sense for finding the grip. Hamilton has his faults... too many crashes this season caused by being impatient. He'll have to fix that next season.

I'd be willing to bet, if you looked at the transcripts over the last 5 years.... "Lewis Hamilton" is mentioned by the TV presenters twice as often as any other driver on the track.

But if you love passing.... Hamilton is the man. I know a lot of guys who watch F1 for statistics, lap times, and didn't mind the pass-in-the-pit racing that made F1 so boring just a few years ago. But if you like a little excitement in your entertainment, you have to secretly be a Hamilton fan whether you admit it or not. LOL

 

No, no.... Just ban them. There are precedents!

 

I think those were deserved. Obviously, Lewis is a polarizing figure on the board but things are nowhere near as toxic as they were with the people (person?) you refer to. We don't all agree on things, but we can at least respectfully state our positions through more civil discourse.

The banned member/s had a completely different agenda that had nothing to do with discourse or civility.

 

"Are you MAD, have you truelly gone fishing? Somebody bring me a jacket"!!!!!

Hey alittle lighthearted banter go's along way, back under my rock now but I'm sure I made somebody laugh?!?!?

 

The precedent is for abusive trouble makers. They got what they deserved. Had nothing to do with which driver they liked/didn't like.

I despise Alonso but I don't get in your face about it and try to piss you off intentionally with post after post. If I did that I'd be banned and rightly so.

 

If LH had not won the WDC when he did, he would have possibly won the WDC last year, or even this year. The reason, his head would have been more securely attached to his body and he would have been using his brain. He would not have been hanging out with celebs, he would have had more time to mature and focus on racing. Certainly he has one of the few chassis that can complete with Vettel, the skill to make it a winner, and the team support to make it happen.

As it is, his anger and frustration seem to have consumed him, so I am not sure he will win another WDC. He has the skill, but currently lacks the focus.

 

Finally somebody else understand's.

 

BTW, I believe that Alonso will win the 2012 WDC. Stories from the factory are that much progress has been made to build a chassis that works with the tires. Vettel will fight for second, with either Button or LH. Massa will be a factor, but the car will suit Alonso.

And I still dislike Alonso and Hamilton. But skill is skill.

Just saying.

 

Sorry but I can't fathom the relevance of your post to....., well anything really!



My post was in response to ricksb trying to claim that if you take away Hamilton's incidents with Massa then he hasn't made that many errors this season.

By utilising the rather simple method of investigating Hamilton's disciplinary record for the 2011 season so far, I have managed to prove that Hamilton's on track problems this season have involved more drivers than just Massa and that he has in fact had a rather poor (by his standards), error filled season.

Feel free to note also that I have not felt a need to resort to childish, irrelevant retorts based on any bias on My part, I have merely utilised the facts.




Your post on the other hand......, well I just don't know!.

I'm going to guess that you want to buy Hamilton some sort of footwear for Christmas (he'll like that, after all, it's not like he's going to be getting any presents from Nicole this Christmas so at least it'll reassure him that someone still loves him!)











(Oh!, size 9 by the way! )

 

I let this go the first time, but since you called it up again, I said that TAKE AWAY THE INCIDENTS WITH MASSA AND HE'S NOT SO EGREGIOUS. For the record, that means HE DOESN'T LOOK AS BAD AS HE DOES WITH MASSA'S INCIDENTS INCLUDED.

I realize you can read into a statement what you want (and did), but I think Kraftwerk was indicating that you pulled out a laundry list of stuff for nothing. I was commenting on LH's aggressive driving and sticking his nose into too many incidents, but suggested it wasn't as bad without the Massa stuff. I NEVER inferred that he didn't have any incidents except Massa. Many drivers on the grid have similar incidents to their credit this year. It's the stuff with Massa that really sticks out.

Are we clearer? No need for your sanctimonious tone...you were arguing against something I didn't say.

 

I hope you are right although I'm of little faith (in the car not Alonso).

 

Correctamundo..

 

Your statement was (complete with some very impolite internet shouting using caps!):

My post shows that he has had more incidents that do not involve Massa than those that do (5 against 3 that have resulted in penalties), and I have not included incidents such as his coming together with Kobayashi in Belgium as it did not involve a penalty.

To Me this shows (as I've previously posted), that his season, even without the Massa incidents his season has still been very egregious (that means: He does look as bad as he does with the Massa's incidents included!).

(By the way, no need for the English lesson, We invented the bloody language! )

You may prefer to have selective memory syndrome when it comes to Hamilton's errors this season and only remember the Massa incidents but I prefer to take into account all of the errors made in a season when I asses how "egregious" a drivers season has been.

The "laundry list" I posted was to show that Hamilton has made a lot of errors this season that did not involve Massa for which he has been penalised. Please explain to Me how this means that the information I posted was for nothing. It is evidence that Hamilton has had a very error filled season.

(Thinking about Massa's penalty in India, based on Johnny Herbert's interpretation of the rules, surely Hamilton should have received some sort of penalty for causing a collision with Kobayashi in the Belgian GP as well? )

As for other:

Sorry Fonzie, but it wasn't for nothing, it was to make a point that even without Massa, Hamilton's season has been quite "egregious".

I take it you're not buying Hamilton some footwear for Christmas then? Damn!, first Nicole and now you!
(That boy's in for a sad Christmas by the looks of it!)

At least get him a card!

 

Now look at what you started you naughty boy, forty lash's (check my punctuation forum police) and a good sodding of your trench's!!!!

 

I have looked at some stats this year like qualifying ect for Hamilton, and to be honest, I don't think he has done that bad at all.

In the racing he has had some bad luck, some of his own making some not, and that goes for his qualifying as well, I maintain Hamilton is one of the most exciting drivers in F1, love him or loathe him. Like at India he actually Q'd 2nd, the guy is fast, check the stats out on google, you might be surprised.

What I like about him is he a racer that wears his heart on sleeve and gives it his all, even when he doesn't need to.

F1 would certainly be a lot duller if he wasn't in it IMO.

If I knew his address he would get a card from me for sure.

 

you can't blame Bas, this was always going to kick off as Hamilton is always going to divide opinion due to his driving style.

Some will be convinced that he is the greatest driver since Senna and others will claim he's over rated.

On this site it all boils down to those who watch F1 through their Rosso tinted glasses and those who watch with their McLaren blinkers on, like cats and dogs.

I'm sure if he was driving for Ferrari then the vast majority on here (Myself included), would spend almost every post defending him (although on saying that, there are some on here who never liked Schumacher during his time with the Scuderia).

Personally speaking, as I have said before, I see him as a modern day Gilles Villeneuve. A fantastically gifted, naturally fast driver who on occasions makes rash decisions and takes chances he shouldn't.

To answer the original posted question: One of the all time greats?, not at the moment, but if he applies himself 100% to his racing and forgets all the peripheral superstar nonsense that he's allowed himself to be distracted by then he could be, easily.

 

If you read My post #169, that is My genuine opinion of him.

As a driver I rate him highly and a lot of My criticism of him this season is because I know, by his own high standards and ability, he can do a lot better than he has.

I think the split with Nicole is probably for the best when it comes to his career and I would also like to see him ditch his current management as I'm not convinced that they have his best interests at heart (unlike his father).

As I posted in #169, if he applies himself 100% (and gets a competitive car of course), then he could be up there with Senna and Schumacher.

Agreed 100%

I don't doubt it for a minute!

Here's the best I can do on that one:

Lewis Hamilton Fan Mail Address:

Lewis Hamilton
Lewis Hamilton Motorsport Ltd.
c/o Corporatec Ltd.
32 St James’s Street
London, SW1A 1HD
UK

Or:

McLaren Technology Centre

Chertsey Road
Woking
Surrey
GU21 4YH
England

( I'll let you off the footwear present! )

 

Again, Potsie, you're arguing nothing. All I said is that LH's incidents aren't as egregious (i.e. "flagrant") without the Massa incidents. (He has SIX incidents with Massa this season, ftr). It's a simple statement. You're arguing nothing because nobody is saying he hasn't had incidents this season. You're beating your chest on an innocuous afterthought from a single post. I couldn't believe you went so far to try to prove that 'LH's incidents are more egregious without Massa'. I guess, obviously, he's not on your Christmas list

Whatever...I guess you hate the guy and look for any opening to crack back on him. Good luck with it, but don't involve me in your vigilante mission.

 

So if we include the Kobayashi incident at SPA, he's had 6 incidents without Massa (four of which resulted in penalties for him and one got him a reprimand), and six incidents with Massa (two of which resulted in penalties for him), and you don't think that's an egregious season? Sorry Ralph, no sale here!

Have a read here to see who is having the most egregious season: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/statistics/2011-f1-statistics/2011-f1-statistics-retirements/

(BTW, Hamilton is showing as five penalties not six because they haven't included grid penalties).

Definitely looks like Hamilton is leading that one as far as I can see!.

Hey!, fairs fair, I'm not on his either!

sorry Ralph, wrong again!, I don't hate the guy at all, have a read from My post #169:

Believe it, don't believe it, I don't give a rats rectum!, that's the truth about what I think of Hamilton.

 

Also interesting http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/statistics/2011-f1-statistics/2011-f1-statistics-qualifying/#teammatecomparisons

 

Okay Joanie/Chachi (covered them both), let's try it this way:


For illustration only 11>5, therefore it can be said that 5 is NOT AS MUCH as 11. Using that logic, 5 incidents is NOT AS egregious as 11. 5 is less conspicuous than 11. That doesn't mean that 5 isn't bad. It simply means, less than half as many incidents as he had WITHOUT Massa doesn't look as bad as his incidents with him.

You're really working hard to prove something that's not being argued...

Capiche?

 

Ritchie!, all I'm saying is that by his own high standards, Hamilton has had a pretty bad error filled season, even without the Massa incidents (even he would agree with that).

Next season I'm sure he won't make the same mistakes and then he can enjoy some HAPPY DAYS!