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  1. snowsports1

    snowsports1 Formula Junior

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    does anyone know if it is possible to remove the ignition lock barrel. on mine the steering lock is on and I don't have a key.
     
  2. Nuvolari

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    To unlock the steering you will need to remove the lock assembly from the steering column. This is NOT done by removing the chrome barrel from the black painted surround. Rather you remove the black painted surround complete with the chrome barrel you insert the key into from the cast aluminum steering column.

    Here is where it gets tricky. The black part is held to the column via a tamper proof bolt. The way it works is that when you tighten the bolt its hex head breaks off when you reach torque leaving behind a domed head that looks like a solid rivet. To remove this bolt you either have to drill into it and use an extractor or cut a groove into the top and use a flat head screwdriver. Easy on a bench but a pain in the car. Once that bolt is removed the lock assembly slides out of the column leaving the steering free.

    Shy of disconnecting the column from the steering rack there is no other way to do this job without destroying things.
     
  3. snowsports1

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    Thanks for this, two questions, how do I get the crime barrel out of the black casting? And are the shear bolts available so I can reassemble? Or is it a case of machining a matching dome head bolt?
     
  4. snowsports1

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    I meant chrome not crime!
     
  5. Nuvolari

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    To answer your questions:

    1. The shear bolts I have only seen complete with new lock assemblies although I am sure they are available somewhere. That said a button head Allen or flat head M6 (I believe) acts as a perfect substitute which is removable.

    2. The chrome barrel is held in place by a press fit roll pin and the whole assembly is visible when you have the lock out. That said DO NOT TAKE IT APART. It is a huge job and will cause you all kinds of grief. It was never made to come apart and you will unleash all kinds of springs and pins. If you want to re-paint the black surround just mask off the chrome and paint it assembled. Don't say I didn't warn you.
     
  6. snowsports1

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    I don't want to take it apart but I don't think I have any choice due to the barrel being cracked, and not having keys. Unless you have any suggestions? Will the lock still work being crack ( as it someone has attempted to force the lock)
     
  7. Nuvolari

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    With the kind of damage you have and missing keys you need to replace the entire lock assembly which is the whole black part that goes into the column. I know certain Alfa's used the same lock assembly so don't be a slave to Ferrari when looking for a replacement. Trying to fix what you have will be a ton more work than just replacing it and will likely not be possible in the first place. Buy a new lock.
     
  8. snowsports1

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    Ok good advice thanks , time to start searching
     
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    #9 daytonaman, Nov 13, 2013
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    I've just been through all this with my 330. I could not find a replacement assembly. Alfa ?? -- which one ? The ones Eurospares sell have a double sided key so not correct for a 246 (or my 330) and VERY expensive. I finished up buying a new barrel - really lucked out there - and have sent my old broken one to the Nieman agents and there is a possibility of replacing the broken innards from their stock of old barrels and parts.I went to two locksmiths and just got BS from them.
    Nuvolari is right - don't take it apart and don't let a locksmith do it. Deal only with the Nieman agents.
    PM me if you wish and I'll keep you posted on success of my repair
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    #10 synchro, Nov 15, 2013
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    The barrel is a "split cylinder" and as others have said can be a nightmare if attempted to remove. This was intentional as a theft prevention measure.
    All is not lost as a key can be made for about $200 but it takes a craftsmen in the key/lock industry. Don't ask me how I know ... and Thank you Alaska Airlines baggage handlers (expletives deleted).

    Basically he starts with a blank and exploits the cylinder's weakness, sequential pin drop, to create a key. He inserts the blank into the cylinder then rotates it with some force against the locking pins several times to produce contact marks. The key is then removed and he examines it for those marks, then uses a file to remove metal in that pin mark to produce a profile of that pin cut. When he files it down enough to release that first pin then the key will turn just a slight bit more as it engages the next pin which will stop him.

    Lather, rinse, repeat
    until all pin profiles have been revealed and the key cuts allow all cylinder locking pins to release and the ignition barrel turns.

    From that you can decode the profile into a "key cut" code.
    KEEP THIS CODE IN A SAFE PLACE and you can reproduce the key in the future from a blank with that code.

    Also, check for anything hand written in your owner's manual or delivery docs that might list the key code (see third line).
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    I just bought a used one from from GT Parts in Phoenix, with keys. I would start there.
     
  12. snowsports1

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    The split you see is totally correct. What you see is NOT a crack but the split delineating the two halves of the barrel the key goes into.
     
  16. snowsports1

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    ok thanks Nuvolari
     
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    #19 daytonaman, Nov 17, 2013
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    Rob, the photo of your lock does not show a crack, same as mine.
    So does that mean the face that you see is a thin chrome cover over the barrel and the barrel (some sort of cast alloy material) is two piece underneath it ?
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  20. snowsports1

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    howards lock isn't in two halves like mine, did they do two types of lock?
     
  21. daytonaman

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    You know what, nor is Nuvolari's
    I am beginning to think that MOST of these things might have broken in two barrels.
    My old one that I sent to the Nieman agents was definitely NOT like my new one i.e. not continuous at the edited circle in my photo.

    howard
     
  22. snowsports1

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    my locksmith is confident he can cut a key for it as is, so for £60 it is worth a try!
     
  23. snowsports1

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    I have managed to swop my ignition barrel using a matching barrel from another Neiman ignition. To remove the old barrel I drilled the 2.5mm pin out in the side, then drilled a hole in the centre of the old barrel from the front then taped a M8 bolt into the chrome barrel. Then I pulled the barrel out using the bolt with washers to form a puller.

    Considerable force is required to pull the barrel out, and you cant knock it out from behind, it has to be pulled from the front which means I cant think of anyway of removing the barrel without destroying it.

    I am planning to install an allen key grub screw in the place of the pin that was drilled out. The new barrel can then be knocked in from the front.
     
  24. racerboy9

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    Do you think heating the outer casting with a heat gun would help loosen the grip on the barrel? I have a NOS lock from an Alfa that is exactly the same as the Dino's.
     
  25. snowsports1

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    no, i put my blow torch on it and it still didn't budge, the only way i could get the barrel out of the doner ignition without damage was to very carefully cut a slot in the ignition case with the angle grinder and peel the ignition case open. the trouble is there is no way of getting a grip on it to pull it out, there is considerable force needed.
     

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