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Ignition failure?

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by J Ingram, Feb 6, 2007.

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  1. J Ingram

    J Ingram Formula Junior

    Aug 12, 2006
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    Jesse Ingram
    I was driving the Boxer to work today. It started fine and and ran perfectly. When I got to the parking structure, the high pitched Dinoplex ignition started having changes in pitch and the speedo and tach started registering odd readings. Then the car completely died. Luckily I am in a guarded parking structure. So, I'm going to have it towed to my mechanic. Oh well, it's just part of Ferrari ownership. I'll keep you all posted.
     
  2. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    jessie,

    the original dinoplex is know to be expensive and fragile from what bill pollard and dick fritz have told me. many who encounter the problem you have decide to retrofit a msd ignition in place of the dinoplex. i am actually surprised that your car had not already been converted as so many do.

    listen, don't get down about the car as a boxer is really like a race car that always need sorting to get to where you want it to be. so many times, race cars are sold as "ready to race"...they never really are...it is the nature of the beast.

    and that black car you have is a nasty, nasty, little girl!!!

    good luck and keep head held high. when you have time (lots of time) i will tell you of my ownership stories!

    pcb
     
  3. J Ingram

    J Ingram Formula Junior

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    Thanks for the encouragement, Pete. I'm actually not bummed at all. I know it's just part of the ownership experience. I am lucky that it died at work and not out on the freeway somewhere. I have been driving it a lot and it has been flawless and really incredible to drive. It is such an awesome driving experience that dealing with all the bugs still makes it worth it to me. I'll tell Gary about changing to an MSD ignition as I don't really care about the originality because I bought it to drive it. I'll still keep the part if I ever sell it, but I doubt if I ever will. I'll keep you posted.
     
  4. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    gary will know all about the msd conversion and has likely done one or two already. he, as a preservationist will also tell you to keep the marelli system and tuck it away as you indicated you would.

    you are in good hands w/ gary...as you are well aware. I am glad to hear you are having fun w/ the car. they really are special machines and with each drive , the digs in deeper and deeper into your soul.

    while that may seem a bit odd...it really has happened to me. with ownership you kinda inherit a new identity of "boxer owner"

    sad...we are a such car nuts. we think it's pretty cool but those who look on see we are indeed very sick!!! lol.

    best,

    pcb
     
  5. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    The tach is a sure sign of the dinoplex going for a crap. MSD is a good idea and like you said you arent worried about originality. If so, then have the guts installed inside the hollowed out dinoplex, then nobody but you knows.
     
  6. J Ingram

    J Ingram Formula Junior

    Aug 12, 2006
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    You're exactly right, Pete. I drove it over the weekend which was one of the warmest we've had in a while. The engine oil was warmed up sufficiently to put my foot in it, and wow what a rush. The car actually howls during brisk acceleration and really takes off. It actually drives better after hard driving. I wasn't dumping the clutch or doing burnouts ( with the ever present thought of differential failure in mind) but just winding it out while respecting it's age. It indeed has a character of it's own and I am beginning to learn all of it's nuances. So, Pete, I understand your sickness and I hope I'll never find a cure. Take care and thanks again.
     
  7. Drew Altemara

    Drew Altemara Formula 3

    Feb 11, 2002
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    Mine is still running on the original Dinoplex. (Hope I did not jinx myself).

    If and when mine goes I would consider having the electronics gutted and having one of the aftermarket ones fitted inside the original Dinoplex box. I think T Rutlands and others have this service. Then its just a matter of plug and play and it looks original.
     
  8. J Ingram

    J Ingram Formula Junior

    Aug 12, 2006
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    Thanks guys. The only problem is that it is sitting in my parking structure with the driver's side window open since I had to roll it down to insert a card to get into the special parking at work. Is there any way to get the window up since the electrical system is shot and nothing works? I don't mind it sitting until I can get it towed but I don't want the window down until that happens.
     
  9. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    Now I dont understand. The window is unrelated to your dinoplex. Do you have a dead battery now? Is your car charging properly? If my module went for a crap my windows would still roll up provided I didnt drain the battery trying to restart it over and over.
     
  10. J Ingram

    J Ingram Formula Junior

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    I'm not sure, Newman. It shouldn't have a dead battery because it is always charged with my battery tender. It has been fully charged since I bought it. Maybe I can go out to the structure and try to roll up the window. Thanks.
     
  11. samsaprunoff

    samsaprunoff F1 Rookie
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    Good day Jesse,

    The Dinoplex are very sensitive creatures and I have heard that jump starting (or having a dead battery) can cause permanent damage to them... I am curious if a Battery Tender can also affect (shorten) a Dinoplex's life?

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
  12. donv

    donv Two Time F1 World Champ
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    My car also has dinoplexes, and I use a battery tender occasionally. So far, so good, but with these things you never know!

    I don't let it sit on the battery tender all the time, though. If it's been sitting for a few weeks, I'll put the battery tender on for a day or two (at least until the green light comes on), but I don't let it sit on there for weeks at a time. I'm guessing that being on the battery tender for long periods of time isn't good for the battery.

    And, I'm with you guys on putting the MSD into the dinoplex shell, if it ever comes to that.
     
  13. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

    Sep 4, 2001
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    I have an MSD in my B512i hidden under the firewall and left the original Dinoplex in its location so my car looks OEM unless you really crawl around under the car ...But, Perma-Tune will actually mount a high tech electronic ignition inside the Dinoplex casing so it is impossible to see any difference... www.perma-tune.com
     
  14. J Ingram

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    Interesting thought, Sam and Donv. I actually keep it on the battery tender all the time as it is supposted to stop the flow of current automatically when the battery is fully charged. That's why I plug it in when I'm not going to drive it for a few days. I have used them on my motorcycles for years and they all start right up after sitting for weeks or months at a time. My MV Agusta has been sitting for about 2 months because of the weather and it starts right up. I think the most this car has sat since I bought it was about a week and a half. I'll talk to my mechanic and see what he says, but I'll switch to a modern ignition system in the original housing like everyone has suggested. Thanks again and I'll keep you posted.
     
  15. parkerfe

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  16. J Ingram

    J Ingram Formula Junior

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    Well, the diagnosis of my ignition failure is in. It turns out that the previous owner installed a battery disconnect switch for long term storage. Since the car does not sit for very long and I drive it quite often, the connection vibrated loose seperating the battery from the electrical system causing complete loss of current. Whew! The Dinoplex works fine and the car runs as perfect as before. I have always heard one should check for simple solutions first on the older cars. By the way, my mechanic said that having a battery tender (as opposed to charger) continuously plugged in does not affect the battery or the Dinoplex because it automatically shuts itself off when the battery is fully charged. Thanks everyone for your help.
     
  17. vvassallo

    vvassallo F1 Veteran

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    LOL, Congrats on dodging your first big bullet, Jesse! Sigh, were it so easy to fix any of those other age-related problems that come up...

    Are you taking the car to the Dr. George show in Indian Wells this Saturday? If so, I'll see ya there, but sadly not with my car. Maybe next year. :)
     
  18. J Ingram

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    Whew is right! Yes, I guess it could have been much worse. No, I won't be going to that event. I proposed to my girlfriend this weekend (she said "yes" incidentally) and just spent a good bit on a big rock for her, so I was pretty happy when my problem turned out to be something simple. We will be hanging out with her parents this weekend. Have fun and I'll talk to you later. .
     
  19. JTR

    JTR Formula 3
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    Congratulations Jesse, both on the car, and the gal!
    Best of luck to both of you.
    John
     
  20. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    congrats jessie. wise to have gotten the cars first.
     
  21. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    That explains the windows not going up, glad it was simple and cheap.
     
  22. J Ingram

    J Ingram Formula Junior

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    Jesse Ingram
    Thanks guys on both the car and ther girl. I actually dated her before back when I had my 328, so she is used to my sportscar hobby. She says "if you can afford it and you want it, then you should buy it." She's very beautiful and very practical at the same time, a rare combo these days. Take care guys and thanks again.
     
  23. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    So post a pic :)
     
  24. Arvin Grajau

    Arvin Grajau Seven Time F1 World Champ

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  25. J Ingram

    J Ingram Formula Junior

    Aug 12, 2006
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    Jesse Ingram
    I would love to Newman, but she's very private and would have a cow if she knew I posted a pic of her on the internet. She's a very exotic Japanese and German mix. I'll see if I can take a pic of us in the car and post it that way.
     

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