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I'm going in - looking at SNJ-2 this weekend!

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  1. snj5

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    #1 snj5, Apr 24, 2006
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    You only live once. There is an 1940 SNJ-2 for sale just north of here and I'm a going to look at it this weekend. It's a strict VFR only plane, but then I'm a strict VFR and grass strip kinda guy. Low time Covington engine, 40 SPOH. The -2's had wet wings which is a PITA, but it does have more range than the usual T-6.
    Originally wanted a BT-13 (lower ops costs) - but this is nice.

    All advice welcome.

    May also call about a Pilatus P-3, but a tailwheel and a round engine is a gift from God...
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  2. SWITCHESOFF

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    MAN! That looks a lot better than a BT-13. It'll fly better too. Like they said during the war, " Hang the expense ! " Really, that looks great !
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  3. Spasso

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    No second thoughts Russ, just PPI the thing and dicker. Do it, do it NOW!:p:p:p
     
  4. snj5

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    Have requested the maint. logs and all to check the AD's
    Although advertised as NDH, it kinda does as a quick NTSB search showed it did a classic tail dragger trick of taxiing up behind another SNJ and chewing off its rudder.

    Yes, I know they fly nicer and are better built (robust) than the BT, but the fuel burn and maintenence is higher.
    My requirements:
    stick
    central seat
    canopy
    tailwheel (would consider a Pilatus P-3 if it was big enough)
    simple

    will take a camera - watch this space for more snj-2 info than you ever needed.
     
  5. SWITCHESOFF

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    Russ, I hope that the SNJ works out for you and I realize that you are in the ranks of the retired now BUT the SNJ-2 is such a unique airplane and so much better than the BT......I know, money speaks very loud now a' days.
     
  6. snj5

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    #6 snj5, Apr 25, 2006
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    There were only about 63 made on a small Navy contract.
    It's just had a main spar eddy current check out ok, so we will see.

    Much UNLIKE my Mondial, I would restore the and keep the plane as it was pre-war; only exception would be a VHF radio, encoding txp and portable GPS. Would put all original instruments and as much of the original radio set s I could come up with.
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  7. SWITCHESOFF

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    That look makes me drool. GO FOR IT !
     
  8. EndymionMKII

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    Yes it looks like a very nice airplane.

    Best of luck.
     
  9. sparky p-51

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    Used to be an SNJ-2 painted like yours at the nut tree airport in the mid 80's. Check the logs for Gary Anderson about that time. Helped him keep the thing running and had a few hours in it. Was building the 51 at that time and had nothing to fly. Much better ride than the BT for the 6-8 gph gas difference. Nothing flies like a Slug. More fun than a 51 actually and a whole lot less pucker factor. Life is short....go for the T-6 Russ.
     
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    Was the main use of this plane in WWII training? What is the cruise speed?
     
  11. sparky p-51

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    #11 sparky p-51, Apr 26, 2006
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    These were used as advanced trainers. They, the military, started would be pilots out in Stearmans and Navy N3N biplanes. They also used low wing basic types, Ryans, Fairchilds and a few others. Typically lt. weight and underpowered machines in the 125-235 hp and perhaps 2800 lbs. They went down the road at 100-125 mph. The T-6 was quite a step up at 600hp, 5100 lbs, retractable gear and constant speed prop. The whole lashup buzzed about at 145-150 mph. Final step for single engine types was the P-51, P-40, P-47 and so on. The 51 is 10k lbs with 1600 hp and a whole bunch of oh my God gadgets that help keep you 'up'. Goes down the road at about 270 mph cruse. Drop the nose and add some power and it will get up to 450 right away. My son uses take off power at Reno---61 in manifold pressure and 3000 rpm around the pylons and get 350 outta the thing. Would be faster on the straight---say 380. The turns around the pylons slow the thing down.
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  12. snj5

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    #12 snj5, Apr 27, 2006
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    Well, we are on for Saturday. Will try to find my Dzus Snoopy to nose around.
    Did a google search on my old snj, n3771m; it was sure good to see it as my friends and I went through the entire plane.

    SO - I do remember ONE modification that I will do immediately - change out the navy locking tailwheel for a P-51 steerable type. It makes a HUGE difference
    Here'another picture of the -2 I am going to look at and a nostalgic shot of my old blue SNJ-5 that was like a best friend.
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  13. snj5

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    Does anyone know about the history and requirements of the new AD on the T6 wing attach angle? I read on a Warbird board that it was initially a dye penetrant every 200 hrs.
     
  14. sparky p-51

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    #14 sparky p-51, Apr 28, 2006
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    Russ do you belong to NATA, North Anerican Trainer Assoc? They have an excellent article on the 'fix' for the attach angles. Out of 650 t-6's inspected, 628 were found airworthy. The rest had some sort of problems. I will send you their latest publication if you want. Let me know.
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  15. snj5

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    I used to belong to Stoney's great organization when I had the Jbird with my original member number being #666 for some reason.
    I'll pm the address.
    Guess it's time to re-join. OBTW - I also have always had a thing for a P-64 replica with a geared 1340 as on the cover you show. Any advice?
    many thanks
    Russ
     
  16. sparky p-51

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    #16 sparky p-51, Apr 28, 2006
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    Some of the p-64s were done very well. Have seen a few that I wouldnt pull on. Nice looking with the turtle deck and all plus the extra boost and hp of the geared mo-mo. I'm partial to any type of standard T-6. A great all around machine with no bad habits except for its lust for 30 gph. Easy maint and fun to fly. P&W 1340 is the best. Like to have another some day, but having the 51 is like being the king of something. Opening the hanger door amd looking at the thing is sortta like having a Ferrari in the garrage. Sortta like the smell of napalm in the morning. You know what I mean. The Slug has almost the same effect. When you 're-up' with Kathy and Stoney, tell them hi for me. Did you know that he flew rt seat on one of the Catch 22 B-25's for Tallman in Mexico? Has some cool stories. Think my NATA no. is 76? Book in the mail asap. Good luck with the Six. Steve Seghetti
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  17. snj5

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    Took a look at N60645 today. 3907TT and about 100 SMOH by Covington, but almost 10 years ago. 40 SPOH about 3 years ago on -12 blades. Fresh annual in January.
    Overall this plane is what used to be a very average/low average T-6. I do not know the current market at all so this may be inaccurate in today's market. Exterior looks ok, but inside is a bit ratty grey with a tired old KX170B and TXP and miscellaneous wires and breakers and switches thrown about the grey interior. Instruments are mid 60s and a bit tired and out of place. There are 3 external venturis as there is no vacuum pump on the engine. the starter is inertial, and uses an automotive dimmer switch on the floor to spin up, then pull a cable under the instrument panel to engage unlike the original floor mount pedal which did both. In short, 65 years of hodge-podge fixes. However, fwf was strong and well done; the fuselage looked ok and the elevators were metallized.
    One of my big questions that was unanswered that no one seemed to know was why was there a big oil tank under the 2nd seat that had not been used for years, but did have a guage and pump where it looked to be a smoke system. The seller said it was original, but I do not think the -2 came with a smoke system. Did not see mention in a cursory review of the papers any mention of a smoke system.
    It had an eddy current NDI of the attach angles in January which it passed meeting the -51 AD.
    It did have redline brakes upgrade , which is OK although I think having sl marginal brakes like the original in a taildragger is probably ok as well. It has a Navy tailwheel lock, which is ok, but not as good as the steerable 'P-51' mod.
    Ithink it is an ok plane, but with 65 years of kludged stuff inside and terrible radios and instruments. I was sick today and could not fly, so we will look at flying perhaps Wednesday.
    It certainly has potential, but didn't get my juices flowing as much as my previous SNJ. Will reflect on it a bit, more later.
    Most importantly though - I'm back on the hunt and the gun is loaded!
     
  18. sparky p-51

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    Russ, thanks for the PIREP. Sounds like a candidate for an over haul project to me. Call Stoney, I'm sure he knows of several 6's for sale that just have to be flown. Dash 2 did not have a factory built smoke system. Sounds like someones trying to feed you some Corvis Oil.
     
  19. snj5

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    Update
    Step 1: Looks like to insure me (I am pretty low time with 250 in type) is about $3600/year on first quote for full coverage; waiting on 2 other companies.
    Just as a data point for everyone.
    Step 2: Will talk to bank tomorrow
    Step 3: Find a hangar

    Still not as sure on THIS airplane, but going through the drill will help on any others I look at.

    While any airplane is more fun than any car, there is that voice in the back of my head that keeps whispering 'Ferrari Daytona...'
     
  20. SWITCHESOFF

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    I never heard about one of those airplanes. Did they use them in the war ?
    Russ, you know how to make people drool.Switches
     

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