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I'm told that only newbies ask for a leakdown test

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  1. Wade

    Wade Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Has anyone else had the pleasure of talking to the guys at Executive Auto Gallery in PA? I called them this morning to inquire about their 328 GTS and barely got a word in after I mentioned "cam belts". He said that only "newbies" (or something to that effect) ask questions like that. He said that the price was cheap, the car looks and runs great, doesn't smoke and I should be satisfied with that. I did say that it was a good price even if it did need a belt change but that I'd like to have the compression test/leakdown numbers. That's when he said he wouldn't waste his time doing a compression test and that he was wasting his time talking to me about it. The conversation pretty much ended right there.

    The car does look nice from the pictures. 1988 328 GTS, red/tan, $38,900, 29,827 miles

    Was I being out of line by asking for the test results? You'd think that they'd have that info on hand, I did when I was selling my Donzi Classic 22.

    BTW, their website says "...servicing our customers with insurance loss vehicles ..." Maybe I am a newbie 'cause I'm not sure what they mean by that.
     
  2. BigAl

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    the guys an ***** and no, asking was not inappropriate. RUN, don't walk, away from that place.
     
  3. johng

    johng Formula 3

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    not cool, don't buy it. those are questions worth asking, whether it's a good deal or not.

    john
     
  4. BOBAER

    BOBAER Formula Junior

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    Insurance loss vehicles means that the cars were turned in or totaled by the insurance company and the title would reflect a salvage title.

    like the post above says, run.
     
  5. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    Tell him that, "and, anyone refusing to do one has something to hide." The guy is trying to make you feel small hoping that you'll back off and buy, leaving you to deal with the problems. Either that or he's hoping you'll go away so he can find another sucker. Stick to your rules and you'll wind up with a great car :)
     
  6. psmaia

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    Sounds like a possible New Orleans car, resurfaced. Run away...quickly.
     
  7. Wade

    Wade Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Thanks guys. It's too bad because I'm ready to buy and not just out kicking tires. But not this one.
     
  8. BigAl

    BigAl F1 Veteran

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    biggest advice I could give is take your time!
     
  9. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    He's trying to intimidate you....very unprofessional...move on.
     
  10. Erich

    Erich Formula 3

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    Tell him you want to have a PPI done on the car. You will get your results on YOUR dime not the dealers. That's the way its done. Caveat Emptor.
     
  11. Fred2

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    Looking at the photos on the website, it is missing a front directional, and the rears are reversed.

    So, I would assume it was hit in both the front and the rear.
     
  12. jimpo1

    jimpo1 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    That's not necessarily a bad thing. 308's and 328's have no consistent placement of the rear lights, it all depends on the mood Luigi was in on the day he installed them.
     
  13. Ricambi America

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    Tell him to get bent.


    He might not want to do a leakdown, but he could at least respect your serious inquries about the car.
     
  14. enjoythemusic

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    A1988 328 GTS, red/tan, $38,900 with 29,827 miles seems touch high UNLESS it has recently had a major and leakdown, etc can all be verified by an independant. Sounds to me like the guy is hiding A LOT of things.


    RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  15. show time

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    Run and don't look back, when I bought my 328 I went to the dealer about 5 days in a row-asked every question I could think of (newbe or not), grilled the mechanic, went over the car countless times, asked more questions, then finally bought it. Every single time I went back during the buying process I was welcomed with open arms, always taken seriously (despite my young age), and was told to "take my time in deciding, the right car will come to you".
     
  16. enjoythemusic

    enjoythemusic F1 World Champ

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    As another said, DO NOT RUSH IT. Took me about a year to find a good one.
     
  17. Ingenere

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    I just checked out their web site. Definitely NOT a place to buy an exotic car....especially when they don't want to answer reasonable questions.
     
  18. wax

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    When patience pays off, drive by and say, "Only newbies buy cars from you. Gotta go, you're a waste of time."
     
  19. SRT Mike

    SRT Mike Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Either that or just set fire to the place late at night





    .... or maybe thats just me?
     
  20. Wade

    Wade Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #20 Wade, Jun 19, 2006
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    Ya think?

    Hopefully others will gain something from my experience with this salesman. And yes, like a good woman, the right one will come around eventually. ;)
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  21. jmn

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    I think it is pretty clear that everyone here thinks the salesman was wrong, and I partially agree, because it sounds like from this one-sided description that he was rude. However, I will go on to say that asking someone to do a leakdown for my benefit is not something I would do. If I were serious, I would ask for the car to be delivered to a third party mechanic of my choice at my expense to have that test and a complete ppi. Having just sold a Ferrari (365 gt 2+2) I can tell you that there are a lot of time-wasting shoppers out there that blow smoke and ask a lot of questions but have no intention of buying- most call to brag about how cool their car is (usually a Fiat Brava or some other real prize). If someone asked me to do a leakdown for them, I would politely suggest that they employ a mechanic to do such a test. In any case, unless you are dealing with someone you REALLY know and trust, I don't think a seller's leakdown test is worth a fig. If you want to be taken seriously (assuming you are serious), the best way is to show a willingness to invest some time, effort and money- if necessary- to pursue the car you want to buy. Buyers need sellers every bit as much as sellers need buyers, and nobody likes being jacked around.
     
  22. Wade

    Wade Three Time F1 World Champ
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    You are absolutely correct and I always assumed that it was the buyer's responsibility to pay for a PPI. But any salesman who declines the offer, or dances around it, will probably never have me as their customer. Of course, the inspection would have to be from an un-biased third party, as you mentioned. I’ll give the guy the benefit of the doubt; he’s probably had his fill of people calling and wanting some history on the car.
     
  23. doug328

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    I would never have the dealer who I was buying the car from do any mechanical inspection/compression/leak down test. Execpt mabe Steve Harris, and a few others that have very high standing on this site. When I bought mine ('88 328 GTS with 19,500 miles) I arranged for a third party experienced with ferrari's to do a PPI with a compression test, and the dealer
    was fine with that. I did not do a leak down test as the numbers on the compression test were all very close. If the compression numbers are off by more that 10% then a leak down test can give you the "why" of the low numbers (either rings or valves). But with low compression numbers why bother doing a leak down,because either way it's going to cost a lot of money to fix and you most likely will walk away from the car, so why spend any more money than you have to. I think the general price for a good PPI with a compression test is around $400-500. And that the buyer pays for that, money well spent in the long run.
     

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