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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by TBigs, Apr 30, 2013.

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  1. TBigs

    TBigs Formula Junior

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    I'm looking at importing what by all appearances is a US spec F360 (speedo in miles, side markers) but it does not have the DOT and EPA labels. The VIN also appears to be US.

    I'm looking for advice on what paperwork it will take to get the car into the US. I've heard different things from different people, but has anyone done this themselves recently? I would really appreciate hearing about your experiences.
     
  2. ace355

    ace355 Formula Junior

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    Just curious why, as the US is awash in cheap 360s...do you own this car overseas and need to import it?
     
  3. Jocko Bradelli

    Apr 18, 2012
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    Go to the USDOT NHTSA website and look for 49CFR591 IMPORTATION OF VEHICLES
    AND EQUIPMENT SUBJECT TO FEDERAL SAFETY, BUMPER AND THEFT PREVENTION STANDARDS

    I'm not yelling, just copied the title from a pdf file because I can't attach the file here.

    But like the other response: why bother? Importation involves shipping costs, bonding, paying duties, conformance inspection, and so forth. Depending on the vehicle you may find it difficult to get a dealer to service it.

    2cts

    jocko
     
  4. TBigs

    TBigs Formula Junior

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    Thanks, I'll check it out.

    Answer is the same as it always is. Cost. With the DOT and EPA labels it was a no brainer. Without, it's not clear yet.....which is why I'm here. Thanks again. Much appreciated.
     
  5. Jocko Bradelli

    Apr 18, 2012
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    But wait, there's more! NHTSA has a list of "registered importers", but they (NHTSA) have no control over the importer's...um....business practices, shall we say. From experience, there is at least one on that list to be avoided. Perform due diligence before making a leap.
    jocko
     
  6. TBigs

    TBigs Formula Junior

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    Thanks Jocko. Do you mind PMing that name, and anyone you have used and are happy with?
     
  7. ace355

    ace355 Formula Junior

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    Still confused, if cost is the motivation, where are cars cheaper than in the US?
     
  8. sparta49

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    Decode the vin, figure out what market it was built for. If the EPA and DOT stickers are missing it probably isn't for the US market and isn't worth the hassle.
     
  9. TBigs

    TBigs Formula Junior

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    Jocko, check your PMs.
     
  10. TBigs

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    Thanks for the info, Jocko.

    Has anyone else out there actually done this? It is a US spec car that does not have the DOT and EPA labels on it.

    Please, refrain from guessing and offering opinions. There is a LOT of bad information out there. I'm just looking for facts, guys, which are hard enough to come by on this subject. I know everyone is trying to be helpful, and I appreciate that, but I really just want some first hand factual info about someone's experience importing such a car. Thanks everyone.
     
  11. TBigs

    TBigs Formula Junior

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    Apparently you can get a letter from Ferrari that certifies that the car meets EPA and DOT standards. Apparently the letter is as good as the EPA/DOT labels. Importation at that point is straightforward.

    From what I understand, the route is to go through the dealer for the letter (at a cost, of course). I bet the cost varies from dealer to dealer, like everything else.

    Has anyone done this? Does anyone know about this firsthand (or close to it)?
     
  12. dchou1107

    dchou1107 Rookie

    Mar 21, 2013
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    I am also looking to import my F430 from dubai since I am relocating back to the US. It has a US VIN, everything in miles but I am also in the same boat to figure out how to even get this letter from the manufacture and import the car.
     
  13. BMW.SauberF1Team

    BMW.SauberF1Team F1 World Champ

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    This isn't really like your case, but I was interested in trying to bring in a BMW from Germany to the USA (E61 M5). I contacted BMW AG and they said to contact BMW NA as it's a USA issue to see if a letter could be provided (they said no).

    Based on that, I think your efforts on acquiring such a letter would be to try Ferrari North America first. If that doesn't work, try Ferrari SpA.

    I was told by others the reason BMW NA is hesitant on providing such letters would be possible legal responsibility if something were to happen with the car and found that they approved it being here. I could see the same happening with FNA, but at least you can try.
     
  14. 134282

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    Terry and dchou, please post the VINs.
     
  15. dchou1107

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    Here is my VIN. ZFFEW58A760147523
     
  16. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Oh, okay - definitely a US coupe! Did you purchase the car new here in the states? Or did you buy it pre-owned in Dubai?

    And just out of curiosity, is it an F1 or a manual?
     
  17. dchou1107

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    I bought it pre owned in dubai and I just found the sticker in the engine compartment stating it meets EPA standard. Hopefully the sticker along with a letter from ferrari will be good enough. Now I need to look for a solif importer to get the car to me in jackson mississippi.
     
  18. 134282

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    Ferraris made for the UAE are nearly identical in specification to those made for the US. You'll have no trouble at all importing it to the US - especially considering this is a US car that was imported to the UAE! I imagine nothing was done to it regarding spec alterations.
     
  19. Mr. Francesco

    Mr. Francesco F1 Rookie

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    I've been looking to import a vehicle into the US for quite some time now.

    If you don't mind, can you PM me the info about who you're using?
     
  20. Ingenere

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    Dubai cars ARE US spec, as noted by the 'A' in the 8th spot of the VIN.

    When these cars were new the only real problem people had with them was FNA was not wanting to pay for warranty work. But since they are out of warranty, it really doesn't matter.
     
  21. 134282

    134282 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Many cars in Dubai and other areas of the UAE have a T as the eighth character of the VIN - see Edvar van Daalen's Ferrari VIN decoder on red-headed.com. The specifications required by the Emirates are very similar to those of the US - but cars made for that market do not receive a North American VIN.
     
  22. TBigs

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    Looks like I've missed some good stuff while I've been away. FYI, the numbers that matter in the VIN are ZFFYT53A44, so it also has the A in the right spot.

    I've been talking with an importer and the scoop is that you REALLY want that EPA label in the engine compartment. Without it, the EPA conversion could run you $25k just for parts and labour. Ouch. That's a non-starter.

    Fortunately, like dchou, I found the EPA label in the engine compartment. I'm still unsure of the DOT label though. There isn't one on the driver's side door jam or door as far as I can tell. There were only three stickers: the VIN, tire loading information, and the mercury label.

    Does anyone know where to find the DOT label on an F360 Spider????

    dchou, it might be good to talk more offline. Sending you a PM.
     
  23. TBigs

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    I tried Ferrari SpA and they actually directly me to a dealer rather than FNA. That said, the importer I talked to said that Ferrari tries to stop imports, rather than facilitate them. Hmmm. Doesn't hurt to ask though.

    The list of registered importers can be found here: List of Registered Importers
     
  24. TBigs

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    I tried Ferrari SpA and they actually directly me to a dealer rather than FNA. That said, the importer I talked to said that Ferrari tries to stop imports, rather than facilitate them. Hmmm. Doesn't hurt to ask though.

    The list of registered importers can be found here: List of Registered Importers
     
  25. TBigs

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    I believe I've found it. It would be interesting to see if dchou's F430 has one in the same location.

    http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/FE-360S-131375/images/P031Web.jpg

    Looks like it at the FRONT of the driver's side door jamb! Very well hidden. Thanks Mr. Sheehan. You may have helped me save several Gs. :)
     

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