In between shifts... on a Scuderia | FerrariChat

In between shifts... on a Scuderia

Discussion in '360/430' started by Darth_Homer, Apr 11, 2014.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Darth_Homer

    Darth_Homer Formula Junior

    Mar 29, 2014
    272
    Hello! Maybe this is a dumb question... when upshifting a scud to 8500rpm, do you just floor the gas pedal or release it a bit so that it won't "sit"?? I just wanna make sure so I won't damage any part of the tranny... Its kinda similar to the R8... I noticed my GTR, C63, CLK Black Series before didn't do this.
     
  2. Mr.Chairman

    Mr.Chairman F1 Rookie

    Mar 21, 2008
    2,987
    New Jersey
    Full Name:
    Robbie
    Pedal down brother.

    R
     
  3. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

    Mar 16, 2011
    5,805
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Floor it, touch that paddle, and it will PUNCH you in between the shoulder blades. It is violent and I love it!
     
  4. MaranelloDave

    MaranelloDave Formula 3

    Apr 27, 2010
    2,203
    LA
    Full Name:
    Dave
    The violent slamming into the next gear under WOT is one of the things people like most about the scud. I can't help wonder though, isn't this hard on the transmission?
     
  5. Darth_Homer

    Darth_Homer Formula Junior

    Mar 29, 2014
    272
    thats what I wanna know... is it ok for the tranny?
     
  6. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

    Mar 16, 2011
    5,805
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Totally fine - it is operating as designed. It's a single clutch setup and it is trying to hit a 60ms shift time.
     
  7. MaranelloDave

    MaranelloDave Formula 3

    Apr 27, 2010
    2,203
    LA
    Full Name:
    Dave
    Okay, but the car is also designed to do launch control starts that destroy the clutch. It seems hard to believe that the 60 ms shifts do not cause greater wear than the slower ones.
     
  8. Afonsolaw

    Afonsolaw Formula 3

    Sep 11, 2011
    1,911
    New jersey
    I haven't ever heard of transmission problems on a scud since I have been a member here on this board... There are several people who own these cars who already have 30k miles on them, track their cars and there are also the FDE cars and never. Heard a single issue re the trans
     
  9. SoftwareDrone

    SoftwareDrone F1 Veteran
    Sponsor Owner

    Jan 19, 2004
    7,860
    San Jose, California
    Full Name:
    Mike
    Believe me, it's safer for the transmission than the way many people shift with a clutch pedal!
     
  10. Rnye

    Rnye Karting

    Mar 17, 2014
    177
    Las Vegas, NV
    Like any car, the faster the clutch engages, the less wear. In launch control mode the car is intentionally slipping the clutch to avoid wheelspin providing a quicker launch.

    It's the slipping of a clutch that wears it down. However, you are correct that forceful shifts and hard launches are harder on the rest of the drivetrain components, but it's hard to say just how much.

    I have only owned manual cars, each with their quirks. The later model S2000 for example, has a "CDV" - clutch delay valve - that forces the clutch to slip vs sending the immediate shock to the rear end on hard launches/shifts. The result? Faster wear on the clutch but saves the rear end (which is fragile in the S).

    Regardless, something mechanical is taking the brunt of a 60ms shift. Whether or not it's "good" for the car is arguable.
     
  11. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

    Mar 16, 2011
    5,805
    Pittsburgh, PA
    I thought the launch control was severely limited to some tiny number before it locks out?

    Quick engagement is less wear on the clutch, not slower engagement.

    Are you arguing the shock is greater? Sure - but it is designed to handle it.

    Please don't baby your scuds or God will kill a kitten and Enzo will kick it on the other side.
     
  12. Darth_Homer

    Darth_Homer Formula Junior

    Mar 29, 2014
    272
    Ok ok now I get it... so if its not hard for the tranny then full throttle it is! Just wanna make sure thats normal before I damage anything :)
     
  13. Knightrider

    Knightrider Formula Junior

    Jun 4, 2013
    432
    United States
    Sure it may wear the clutch a little, but why own a Scud if you're not going to enjoy it? The way I look at it, when it comes time to replace my clutch (or if I ever need to) I will consider it the cost of having an amazing car that gives me an incredible rush when driven. End of story.

    If you are so concerned about the clutch/tranny, get a 458 with a double clutch tranny and call it a day (but it is such a dull experience compared to the hit of the Scud shift IMO).
     
  14. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jul 19, 2008
    39,174
    Clarksville, Tennessee
    Full Name:
    Terry H Phillips
    Darth- The F1 system lifts the throttle for you on upshifts, just like it increases the throttle for downshifts. So quick you cannot even feel it, especially at 8500 rpm.
     
  15. Darth_Homer

    Darth_Homer Formula Junior

    Mar 29, 2014
    272
    Yeah I know what you're saying here... Of course I don't mind with the wear and tear of the clutch, exactly what happened on the stock clutch in my Porsche GT2. I just wanna make sure that everything's normal while flooring the gas pedal, now everyone was nice enough explaining it to me here.... Full throttle is the way to go! :)
     
  16. Darth_Homer

    Darth_Homer Formula Junior

    Mar 29, 2014
    272
    Brilliant technology!
     
  17. Afonsolaw

    Afonsolaw Formula 3

    Sep 11, 2011
    1,911
    New jersey
    Ohhhh yes the shifts are very brutal and unique to this car... I don't think Ferrari will ever do another single clutch ever again and not one as brutal as this one for that matter. Unique experience! I feel lucky to have one!!!!
     
  18. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jul 19, 2008
    39,174
    Clarksville, Tennessee
    Full Name:
    Terry H Phillips
    They did it on the 599 GTO, the last Ferrari with dry plates clutch and 60 ms shifting.
     
  19. ylshih

    ylshih Shogun Assassin
    Honorary Owner

    Mar 21, 2004
    20,434
    Northern CA
    Full Name:
    Yin
    Variable throttle on the Scud may only confuse the firmware; it knows what it's doing - go full throttle while you manage the shift points, but let it manage the shift transitions.

    A full throttle shift on the Scud is a visceral experience not to be missed!

    The Challenge Stradale exhaust note and the 430 Scuderia F1 transmission together would have been sublime.
     
  20. Darth_Homer

    Darth_Homer Formula Junior

    Mar 29, 2014
    272
    Okay I'll keep that in mind... driving a scud is really a different experience. Waking up early on a sunday is all worth it! :)
     

Share This Page