In response to people that say: "Those that wreck an Enzo should die"

I think it's more about shooting a remark at the driver who either can't drive properly or thinks he can handle all an Enzo has to offer on a track.

It's a shame when anything nice or special is ruined but they do make cars nearly every second of everyday.

 

Well, the last Enzo wreck that I heard of was by that idiot comedian Eddie Griffin, who wrecked it on a closed track at low speeds. And when they interviewed him, he said "Whatever. They can make another car - they can't make another Eddie Griffin!"

I'd rather have another car.

 

Who gives a flip. These are cars designed to let someone with enough cash get behind the wheel and pretend that they are a race car driver for that moment in time.

People, even professional drivers, make mistakes all the time. In the hands of an amateur, even at low speeds, a crash or accident can happen. The cars are lightening fast, unforgiving, and sometimes get out of control.

I very much doubt that they do it on purpose. It is a mistake. You people critisizing them for their driving ability really need to lighten up and get a clue and realize that they bought it with their money and can do whatever they damn well please with it. You should also realize that these people don't aspire to be great drivers...they are just simply out there having fun and taking a break from their hectic lives.

I sincerely doubt they give a **** what you do to your car.

I'm glad they are out there driving the thing. There will always be one in some collection or museum to look at down the road.

 

Its a car. Relax.

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but there's a lot of hypocrisy on FChat eek: ) and this poll highlights that.

All these "I'm looking to buy" threads are seeking perfect 10K-mile 355s and 360s, or time capsule 20K-mile 308s, and it's pretty well known (recent Forza article by Michael Sheehan on this) that the 288GTO-F40-F50-Enzo series especially are desired with <2000 miles on the clock. So, the cars we want when it comes to buying one aren't the ones we applaud in polls like these.

Secondly, we all go nuts over these "never driven in 20 years, 3K-mile 3x8" cars. So the poll results saying that it's more a shame for an Enzo to sit pampered in a car-coccoon than to beat the crap out of it on a track seem like a great idea "for the other guy's Enzo".

Thoughts?

 

That is exactly what I have been thinking for some time now. Everybody seems to want to verify what a macho car-beater they are by "driving their cars rain or shine, snow sleet & hail". They even beat the heck out of some poor guy who was looking at a 2 or 3K mile 1986 Testarossa - "Garage Queen!!" - they screamed! "Will blow up on your first drive"...blah blah blah. Or, others claimed the mileage was a fraud - I hope they guy didn't go away mad over it.

But when it comes to really buying one, they seem to want those nice garage queens for their OWN cars!

 

1. **** happens.

2. If you stay in the game long enough you're gonna have a bad day or two.

3. You can enjoy yourself without being stupid.

4. I'm with Jay. Restore them to 100, drive them to 60, repeat. (Maintaining them along the way)

 

Sacred is a bit subjective, but many Ferraris can be considered Art, otherwise the marque wouldn't enjoy the mystique and ensuing popularity that it does.

 

I liked all four of these reality of ownership laws...but number four really stands out.

Restore to 100, drive to 60, maintain, repeat! This must be why nobody asks "what is the true mileage on that Lusso?"

 

True, after a certain age the odometer becomes almost irrelevant. As long as the car is properly restored/maintained, you have to judge it on its own merits.

As far as the "it's a car" argument in the first post, clearly it's not the same sort of car as the Honda Accord or we would drive them into the ground and then just go buy another. There aren't that many Enzos, and even production cars like the 512TR are available in finite quantity. So, yes, it feels like a loss when one them is wrecked forever.

 

I disagree. There is no car that doesn't fall under the heading of "its just a car". They are all meant to be driven, to age, to deteriorate, and to be replaced. Sure, maintain them as best you can; I am not saying drive them into the dirt.

But when someone buys a car, they earn the right to do whatever they want to it. To get all excited over it is silly, IMO.

Its a car. They mass produce them, even Enzo's (compared to "real" original art). Relax. Love your wife/kids/parents/mankind, not a car. I guarantee it has no love for you (unless the car's name is Christine ).

 

I'll remember these posts when I walk up to you folks, COLD, and ask to take your cars out for a test drive.....its just a car. May I borrow yours? I've never driven a 360 or a 430 or an Enzo before.....how do these paddle-shifts work?

 

No dispute over legal rights - you can buy 50 Enzos and push them off a cliff if you have the cash.

But, given how we venerate old cars around here, there's an implied understanding that someone somewhere is preserving them (or using and then properly restoring them). Said differently, if everyone took the "it's just a car" attitude we would have no Ferraris older than an F355. (Try finding a decent Plymouth Champ or VW Rabbit now if you want to know how the "it's just a car" philosophy plays out for cars that really were "just cars".)

If someone wants to crash an F40 into a wall, he certainly can and I hope he doesn't injure himself. But we're all poorer for not having that car around.

Brilliant.

 

I disagree. That might be true if they were buying another mass-produced Taurus or something, but anything at the Enzo level is handmade by people who have become the best in the world at what they do. It's art, and it's a machine, and it's very close to the best that we can accomplish.

Buying a rare painting doesn't really give you the "right" to trash it. It's my opinion that you are actually only buying the right to take care of it, and to eventually make sure it gets passed on to someone else who'll do the same.

 

Steve Wynn, who can afford far more Picassos, Casinos, and Enzos than I shall ever hope to - probably feels like this too.

But, as mentioned: ***** happens, - RRRRRIIIIPPPP at the La Reve picture showing to art collector Steven Cohen as he put his elbow through it. The sale at 139m fell through. I think it went in for an immediate restoration thereafter. Let's be fair, he suffers from retinitis pigmentosa, which greatly restricts peripheral vision.

His Enzo, however, is still OK, I hope & presume?

 

To borrow from an old Hollywood saying: The problem with a Ferrari as art is that it is a car. The problem with a Ferrari as a car is that it is art.

 

It would be good if no Enzos were wrecked on a track, but it would be a tragedy if they all spent their time tucked safely away in garages. Life is for living. I haven't voted, as I think some should be tracked and some should be preserved.

 

It doesn't really matter to me what the owner does with the car. It's theirs to do what they want whether it be parked and never driven or raced. Only if I were to buy their car would I then care what happened with it. So when it comes time to purchase an Enzo, I rather have the like-new one to drive myself than an rebuilt wrecked one.

 

I guess the problem is that the "its just a car" is not a binary sentiment. There are levels of disdain, just as there are levels of veneration.

 

+1000

there is a selective defense of Ferraris depending on the context.


for some Ferrari owers and enthusiasts, the attitude of "well, it's just a car" arises over the wrecked Enzos --but out of such context of the wrecked-Enzo discussion if you make any criticisms at all about a Ferrari in general, it is like the North versus the South in the American Civil War. you are crucified with "passion and heritage" for the whole thread.

"but it's just a car" ------> not here!



the truth is that the never-driven-nor-touched Ferrari garage queens steal the show and rule as long as it's not your garage queen. then if you are identified as a garage queen owner, you are then somehow held in vague disdain by a segment of the "ferraristi" crowd.

they will say "well, then what is the point of having the Ferrari just sitting there? you should go and drive it." but if such a thing is done, the market value of the car drops. and lots of people are hypersensitive to this. the low miles become the major selling point of the car.

granted not all owners cop this attitude or care about miles, as many here are balanced in their views, but i've seen this double-standard unfolding.

so then the owner goes and drives the car and wrecks it and then all time stops to recognize that destroyed Enzo --regardless of the fact that the owner can simply buy another one or fix it. or if it's not repairable the destroyed car drives the market values up --which is good.