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Independent Dyno Tests

Discussion in '360/430' started by mwstewart, Dec 5, 2023.

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  1. mwstewart

    mwstewart F1 Rookie

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    Starting a thread to capture modifications, dyno type/location, and results.

    So far, what do we have?

    Thanks.
     
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  2. collegeboy

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    Unfortunately, many people do not dyno their Ferraris. I am not one of those people. I also like to be upfront and show the good and the bad and the progress.

    I did not do a stock dyno up front, but I do have a dyno for you that give me a good "before fixing everything" baseline. We realized the car's timing was way off, so the tune had to stay super mild to be safe, and obviously the car is way down on power. The car is currently getting it's timing fixed, along with MANY other things so the car will basically be perfect, and the next dyno should be MUCH better. With that said, here are the mods and details of the car and the dyno.

    1st "car not running right" dyno-

    BAD

    -Timing is nearly 3 degrees off between banks
    -Tuned very mild to be safe
    -Possible minor vacuum leak
    -Possible old clutch

    GOOD

    -Engine compression is nearly perfect
    -360 Trev tune (Minor because of timing)
    -Tubi headers
    -Tubi cats


    Put down 356HP and 261 FTLBS at the wheels. With an 18% drivetrain loss, that means about 435HP and 320FTLBS at the flywheel. That’s 10 more HP and 45 more FTLBS. Keep in mind this is with the timing being way off and still having air rails. Drivetrain loss might be more or less. Either way, this is the "car not running right" baseline. Will update once everything is completed on the car. The next dyno will be this.

    2nd (Future dyno)

    GOOD

    Engine compression still nearly perfect
    Timing exactly at 660/660
    Aggressive 360 Trev tune with 9,200rpm redline
    Tubi headers with no air rails now
    Tubi cats
    SLine exhaust
    New clutch and flywheel
    Many new parts such as MAFs, O2s, fuel pumps, etc.


    Will update with that dyno when we complete it in about a month. I am very excited to see the results and how the output is when everything is perfect. These are not massive power output motors. None of us own them for that, but to see how this tiny little 3.6L naturally aspirated high revving V8 does when it is as it should be and then with additional mods on top of that, is just exciting!

    1st "car not running right" dyno video
     
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  3. Corse Modi

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    Hi Mark, long time no see, recognise this............
    Ferrari 360 F1, dyno'd July 2017 at approx 69,000miles, remapped (ecu's removed) and dyno'd by WEST TUNING, Thruxton Circuit ,UK.
    Running de-cat TUBI / GRUPPE m airbox with K&N conical filters.
    435.6 BHP and 315 ft.lb. torque (engine not wheel figures ) was told if I had done the runs with new MAFs / plugs / coils should have made a bit more. Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
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  4. SpecJunkie

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    Slightly off topic but think I recognise your car from Scott/Ratarossa’s YT channel. Great mods, looks proper that!
     
  5. Corse Modi

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    Good spot, Scott is a friend
     
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  6. Corse Modi

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  7. Corse Modi

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    looks like just you and me then Mikey:) interesting to see how close the numbers were.....looking forward to seeing your next run numbers
     
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  8. collegeboy

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    Yep just us! What I find odd is that my numbers are roughly the same as yours, but mine was not running right at the time, the timing was off, and I had air rails. That should make a huge difference. I feel like your power should be more. Do you know what drivetrain % loss they calculated to get your flywheel hp/tq numbers? I am excited to post my updated "car is fixed and done" dyno in a month or two.
     
  9. kestrou

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    If I had access to a dyno… I’d be right there with you guys… :(

    Kevin
     
  10. Corse Modi

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    don't know what the drivetrain loss was, WEST used to tune 360 challenge cars back in the day, I wasn't chasing numbers ,I asked for a' reliable ' fuelling map for my trackday antics , would be very interesting to see TREV diagnose this map,did this map about 6yrs and 20,000miles ago and the 'ol 360 is still going great (owned it since 2008)
     
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  11. collegeboy

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    That's wonderful. Yes it would be good to see.
     
  12. RedTaxi

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    You can not calculate drivetrain loss, or quote engine hp, unless the engine has been on an engine dyno.
     
  13. one4torque

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    Dyno numbers are good for comparing mods on same car same dyno.

    but absolute numbers are easily and often manipulated… corrected to make customers happy,


    Trap speed is a better gage.
     
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