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Installing Steering Wheel Extender

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  1. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

    Mar 6, 2005
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    just got a steering column extender from Hill Engineering. There are no instructions. but it looks pretty simple; just remove the allen type screws from the steering wheel (I have a momo, also says prototypia on in or something like that, it's probably not original, looks pretty new for a 30 year old car);
    any way, I assume this extender just slips onto the steering column and then I just use the included longer allen screws. Is there anything else to do? like steering column adjustment, if there is such a thing. Ideally since it's being extended I would have preferred a small tilt down, but the extender is even all round.
    any tricks or shortcuts or things to watch? the site said it takes 30 minutes, but if it's just removing six allen screws and rescrewing them on after putting on the extender, I don't see it as 30 minutes even man-with-two-left-hands. thanks, rick jaffe
     
  2. senna21

    senna21 F1 Rookie

    Jul 2, 2004
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    I'm assuming you have a wheel without an air bag.

    Once you take the steering wheel off you should see a big "Jesus" nut. I'm assuming the Extender is really just a longer wheel adaptor. No matter though. Un clip your horn button from it's wire (you should remove the horn button first); remove the steering wheel; then get a wrench on the "Jesus" nut and remove it. Make sure your wheels are straight and your steering wheel was dead on as well before you do all of this. The adaptor should pull off of the splined steering column. Make sure you make a mental not of how it's aligned in relation to the holes that the steering wheel attaches to! Now insert your new adaptor onto the steering column, making sure the alignment is the same as before. Before you put the "Jesus" nut back on do a test fitting of the steering wheel with it's fitting screws. Is it in the same position? If not remove it and then the adaptor, rotate it a spline or two and then repeat the action mentioned earlier until it is. Once it is, tighten the "Jesus" nut (oh, the reference is because you pray to Jesus that this nut never comes loose while you're driving) with a little Light to Medium Loctite. Install the steering wheel. Attach the wire to the horn button and put it back in.

    Enjoy!!!! :)
     
  3. Nuvolari

    Nuvolari F1 Veteran
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    Rick that's all there is to it. Remove the 6 bolts and replace them with the longer ones. Be sure to use a socket head allen tool to remove the bolts. They are stubborn and very rarely come out using a regular allen wrench (it twists too much). As for changing the angle of the steering wheel, it is possible but a lot of work (no parts though). The column has a little adjustment and the key to doing this is to loosen the large collar nut that is on the steering shaft where it leads to the steering rack. Once this is done, the bolts that fix the column to the area under the cluster can be loosened and the steering angle can be changed. The large collar nut is a pain to loosen. Spray the threads with wd40 at least a day before attempting the job or it will be next to impossible to remove. Good luck with the project.
     
  4. Nuvolari

    Nuvolari F1 Veteran
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    Excellent advice but not applicable to this application. The steering hub does NOT have to come off.
     
  5. senna21

    senna21 F1 Rookie

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    Apparently NOT! :)
     
  6. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ

    Feb 22, 2003
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    I have one of these.
    Remove horn button
    remove 6 allen screws
    remove wheel
    place adaptor on hub, lining up screw holes
    re-install steering wheel with provided longer allen screws
    hook horn button back up.
    Ready to go.

    Works great, as all Hill products.
    best
    rt
     
  7. 348paul

    348paul Formula 3

    Dec 27, 2002
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    Richard,

    There should have been instructions supplied with the spacer - I will email you over the instructions - apologies for the oversight.

    Paul
     
  8. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    thanks, I've only had partial success; removing the bolts was no problem; The problem I have is that the bolts appear to be too short; I can get either the top three bolts on or the bottom three, but not all six. either I back off the first three enough to move the steering to the other side, at which point the first three pop out; or if I tighten the first three the wheel doesn't easily move to a position where the second three can be fastened, at least with the size of the bolts included. That's why I thought if I had longer bolts for the other three, it might solve the problem;

    btw, the extender rests on the steering column rather than fitting around it which would have given me another third to half an inch or so. I've tried to find longer bolts, but so far no luck given the allen and metric nature of them. I've tried driving with the three bolts, it seems to hold, but I'm not comfortable with that. any thoughts?
     
  9. 348paul

    348paul Formula 3

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    Richard,

    Something does not sound quite right - can you put the steering wheel onto the spacer and then put all the bolts through the holes? Can you also measure how much thread of the bolt is protruding out form the back of the spacer with the steering wheel on the front of the spacer? One last thing - is it a stock OEM steering wheel?

    Would it be possible for you take a photo of the wheel/ hub ?

    Regards

    Paul
     
  10. PWehmer

    PWehmer Formula 3

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    I don't have the stock wheel either so I had to buy some longer bolts. Mcmaster.com had some metric stainless bolts that look nice.

    My extender from Hill was treated with black coating- the horn grounds on the inside diameter. Scrap off the coating to get a good ground or the horn won't work.

    It's surprising how much a 25mm extension helps improve the comfort of the driving postition.
     
  11. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    ok I'm home now and looked it over carefully and also took some pictures of steering wheel and the spacer.

    1. the spacer fits fine on the steering wheel with the horn; everything is tight and flush'

    the spacer has two sides; one completely flat and one with a recess or bevel.
    it looks to me that the beveled side should mount around the lip in the steering column, that would make a nice tight mount, secured by more than the screws, but the diameter of the bevel or inner ring is not wide enough and just rests on the lip of the steering column.

    I've also tried putting the flat side down on the column but that doesn't work either. I can get three adjacent screws in but not the other three; that's why I though about longer screws as a possibility. but on reflection I don't think that's a good idea. if it's not mounting with the included screws, as you say there's something not right. to me it looks like the diameter of the spacer lip is not quite large enough, making the spacer lip rest on the steering column lip; because of this and because the spacer mounts fine on the steering wheel, I don't think it's an non-OEM steering wheel problem.
     
  12. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I had the same issue with the spacer in my Dino from Hill. The fitting just wouldn't, um, fit. [edit]It does goe recess to the original hub.[end edit]

    The clearance was too tight. Not by much, maybe not even a millimeter, but too tight.

    I very carefully opened up the spacer [edit] recess [end edit] slightly with a Dremel with a grinding wheel attached. I didn't have to remove much metal at all, it took a couple of minutes. But you have to be careful not to take too much, as you want a good tight fit. Grind evenly to keep it in round.

    I worked my way around the opening, a little at a time, fitting as I went, until I had opened it enough to fit properly.

    It made a huge improvement in where I could put the seat in relation ship to the wheel. My knees no longer bang into the steering wheel.

    I had intended to tell Paul at Hill about the fit issue but just never got around to it. Guess I just told him now though.

    DM
     
  13. RussF

    RussF Karting

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    It might help if you told what model Ferrari you have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  14. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    I'm afraid of doing it myself; if it's not done just right; it will be too loose or not completely rounded. I've been in touch with paul directly, and he's working on a solution.
     
  15. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm no mechanical genius, I worked slowly. It's not off by much, right? You can probably slip it about 3/4 of the way on without a problem.

    Remember, the screws will work to properly align the wheel, and even if you're off a milimeter, you'll never feel it, or experience any problem with it. If you take off a little, check it, take a little more, check it, you should have no problem.

    On the other hand, if Paul has an easier, more elegant solution, then let him take a run at it.

    DM.
     
  16. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Check his profile...

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/member.php?userid=17089

    Sometimes in our zeal to get an answer, we omit important information, however, often times a little detective work does the trick..

    DM
     

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