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Instrument and hand brake lights out-advice needed

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  1. PhilB

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    I've searched on "308 Instrument Panel Lights" and a number of other combinations of words, most threads found point to increasing - or failed attempts at increasing - the instrument panel light brightness.

    Issue is on a 1984 308 QV. No instrument lights or parking brake handle/lever light. Every other electrical device in/on the car has been verified as working.

    Car has OEM fuse boxes, Left #2 and Right #14 seem to be closest related fuses. Those have been checked, changed and by-passed to no avail, instrument cluster and parking brake lever light still won't activate.

    Hand brake light "socket" verified as not getting any power, so it is not the little green bulb.

    In the schematic, there is a "#60-Additional fuse for light in hand brake handle" - not sure if this is the issue, but for the life of me, I can't find this fuse.

    Could the instrument dimmer switch be toast and now needs to be by-passed or repaired? This would presume the hand brake light is wired to this rheostat, which I am uncertain of.

    Any pointers on what to check next?

    Thanks,
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  2. Steve Magnusson

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    US version or Euro version?
     
  3. PhilB

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    US version, GTS.

    First time I noticed that these lights weren't working was Friday evening.

    I confirmed again that all parking lights, license plate lights, overhead light, hand held light that plugs in under sun glass compartment, reverse light, brake lights, and signal lights work. Signal and hazard indicators, as well as low and high beam indicators, work on the instrument panel, as does the rear defrost, fan and battery indicator, and all gauges. On the console, the clock and oil temp work, as well as the cigarette lighter light.

    Both windows, power door locks, and radiator fans operate, as does the fuel pump and headlight pods.

    This is limited only to the instrument back light and hand brake light, and the only theory I have at this point is the dimmer knob is ng. The is no effect no matter which way I adjust the dimmer knob, the instrument back light and hand brake light are still out.

    The last update I made to the car was about 2 weeks ago I changed out the shocks and springs, which I really don't think caused this issue.

    Thanks,
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  4. Steve Magnusson

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    #4 Steve Magnusson, May 2, 2010
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    That dimmer is actually described as a "rheostat and switch for instrument lights". I'm not familiar with that particular gizmo, but, if you don't feel a switching detent at one end or the other of rotation, maybe it is activated in some other manner (e.g., pushing) -- perhaps another 308QV owner can comment how the "switch" part works.

    If you've got +12V on the B, white, wire at the bottom of fuse #14 (aka fuse E') when the light knob switch on the stalk is turned "on", but you don't get instument lights, you've got to go after the dimmer -- i.e., measure the voltage on the B, white, wire at the dimmer end to confirm/deny +12V when the lights are "on". If +12V is present there, manually connect the B wire to the G, yellow, wire -- if the instrument lights then come "on", the "rheostat and switch for instrument lights" must be toast (if it isn't pilot error ;)). Good hunting!

    PS the handbrake light and the instrument lights are both run by the G, yellow, wire coming off the dimmer switch -- so don't worry about that not working until you get the instrument light working.
     
  5. PhilB

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    Thanks Steve.

    That's what I figured. I'll pull the dimmer knob one night this week and see what I can find.

    Will report back,
    Phil
     
  6. barcheta

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    I had the same thing happen a week ago. I jiggled the dimmer switch back and forth between bright and dark a few times and every thing started working again. Increased resistance due to lack of use maybe? Hard to say... but I'd be interested in what you find out with that switch as well.
     
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    Mine is an 84 US as well. my dimmer switch has a smooth rotating rheostat wheel from dimmest to brightest and I don't feel any detent what so ever.
     
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  9. PhilB

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    Anyone know the technique for removing this dimmer dial from the dash of a US 308QV? Mine is different from what is shown in the picture, as Mike described I too have "a smooth rotating rheostat wheel".

    I've isolated the problem to this dimmer....because when I fiddled with it tonight, trying to see how it comes out of the dash, I used a small screwdriver to try to grab the dimmer wheel from the side to pull it straight out of the dash face. This removal process did not work, at least not for me possibly because I was approaching it very delicately. The dimmer switch moved forward maybe 1/8 of an inch, and then stopped. I pushed it back, tried this again 3-4 times, same results.

    So, after trying this a few times, I figured I'd test the lights again to see if maybe just by me touching the dimmer something changed.....sure enough, the dash lights now work, as does the hand brake light. And the dimmer dims, and brightens, as before. Funny, I never noticed this before but the dimmer also dims the hand brake light.

    Obviously I have a loose wire or dirty connection, I'd still like to remove the dimmer, clean it, and maybe add a by-pass wire as well.

    Thanks,
    Phil
     
  10. barcheta

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    almost exactly what happened to me. Cept I didn't fiddle with trying to remove it. Could be loose but I'd suspect a dirty connection first. I can't recall how many times I've even messed with the dial but since I hardly ever drive the car after dark I know it hasn't been much.
     
  11. Neonzapper

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    #11 Neonzapper, May 5, 2010
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    That should work well since dirty connections and switch resistance take some of the voltage away from lighting the dash. My suggestion is to add an inline fuse in place of the jumper wire. Use 12 guage wire (14 is acceptable). Otherwise, a short could end up frying your car's electrical circuit. Although a factory weakness in light efficiency, bear in mind the voltage for that dimmer was predetermined in the circuit. Now you have increased the voltage to that circuit by removing the resistance of the dimmer switch.

    An alternative to this whole thing would be to add a fused relay and keep the dimmer switch.
     
  12. magnum

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    #12 magnum, May 6, 2010
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    Hi Phil.

    I send to you a "How to" PDF file. Inside you will find some related explanation about how to bypass the dimmer. I hope this helps.

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