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Instrument Cluster issues on our F430

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  1. Trini430

    Trini430 Rookie

    Feb 16, 2016
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    #1 Trini430, Feb 17, 2016
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    Hey guys,
    I am trying to help my friend solve an issue with his F430.

    At the moment these are the issues being faced:

    1) Instrument cluster does not display information
    2) Cluster red light comes on when car is off, goes off if the passenger door is opened (Right Hand Drive Vehicle)
    3) Can shift to first and second normally, to get in gear after that takes depressing both paddles, going to neutral and then back into a gear. It up shifts but then you have no idea what gear is engaged.

    Before these issues occurred, the power window switches were replaced (this entails removing the radio also.) Shortly after this was done, the battery died and had to be replaced.

    When symptoms first showed up, the cluster ran through various error messaged in a cycle over and over as you can see from the attached photos and video URL. It then proceeded to give the three issues being experienced currently (Listed above).

    https://youtu.be/2UpdZi7JTEc

    Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, especially if anyone had similar issues.
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  2. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    Check the charging system first. Over voltage or under voltage can play havoc with modules. I have seen this many many times, not only on Ferrari's but other cars too.

    If all is ok, get it on a scan tool and start pulling faults from all modules and see what you have. But keep in mind, cluster issues are not out of the ordinary in the 430.
     
  3. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Not only voltage but bad diodes have been at fault for many problems.

    The dash is connected to the CAN system. A failure of any component on the CAN buss can cause malfunctions of any other component on the buss.
     
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  4. Sled Driver

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    I would contact Rod Drew @ FAI (Francorchamps of America) in Costa Mesa, CA 92627

    Phone number (949) 631-6373

    He does repairs on Ferrari Clusters & can answer all your questions
     
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  5. Trini430

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    Feb 16, 2016
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    Hey guys not a problem, we will check the charging system to see if there are any anomalies.

    The issue is that this car is in the Caribbean Island of Trinidad, so access to an SD3 machine is difficult. I was a software based one available, will post a link and ask for feedback.

    I will also contact Mr. Drew and speak to him for some guidance.

    Again, thanks for the response and I will keep you posted.
     
  6. rustybits

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    I second Brian's thoughts that the CAN bus is currupted somewhere. There are many systems that use it for comms, any of which could be causing the fault. SD3 required..
     
  7. Trini430

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    Ok understood. In speaking to the owner, Ferrari of Venezuela intends to plug in another cluster to determine if the problem exists within. His concern is that the new cluster can also become damaged.

    To get an SD3 on the car, we may have to ship it to Florida. Was trying to determine if we could have rented one.
     
  8. SocialBee

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    Just sent you a private message.
     
  9. Trini430

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    Hey guys, we had the cluster replaced. Most things are functional once again. However we could not get the proxy file so some errors are displayed currently and it defaults to low traction mode at the moment. We await another technician visit.
     
  10. Trini430

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    Feb 16, 2016
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    Ok, cluster programmed and now only the E-DIFF is problematic, I have started a thread for it.
     
  11. James cln

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    You may have already done this but I have found that by disconnecting battery overnight to let all capacitors drain , then reconnect - lock and unlock doors w remote and then trunk - then get in car w everything off turn on ignition and wait about 2-3 minutes then turn off and operate car normally can fix a myriad of illnesses. You might try it , if you have 't already.
     
  12. Amber Cooper

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    Hi guys.
    I also experienced the same problems with my F430 like Trini430.
    But i followed James cln advise about disconnecting the batt overnight and lock & unlock the doors & trunk stuff. But after turn ignition on, wait about a few minutes, restart engine, all instrument panels & meters still dark not displaying any infos. Only the needle lights turned on. I had give up on driving with 2 gears max. I thought is this has something to do with the cluster's fuse burnt or something?
    Anybody expert on this issue? Appreciate ur tremendous advise & expertise...
     
  13. Ingpr

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    Hello, did you solved your problem?
     
  14. Benjamin Ho

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    I also had the exact same issue and to add more details to what @Trini430 mentioned above:

    1) Faulty instrument clutter drains the battery of car
    2) Instrument clutter goes back to normal after car is restarted by jump start but will only work for a few times and fails again
    3) Car works perfectly normally when instrument clutter is normal

    Went to a few shops incl. Ferrari dealership and no solution can be found other than replacing the instrument cluster.

    Mine is a RHD car here in Hong Kong.

    Damage for replacing cluster is a hefty ~US$6000!

    Car still in shop waiting for cluster shipment from Italy. Fingers crossed no further issue after replacing cluster.
     
  15. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    FAI mentioned above can fix just about any instrument problem that is actually in the cluster.
     
  16. Amber Cooper

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    #16 Amber Cooper, Mar 6, 2020
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    Still...no positive sign after all the turn off and on, ignite off & on in 3 min, etc. as recommended by all.
    Had to drive in 2 gears max all day long, then neutral to shift up 3rd, & neutral again to climb 4th & so on :-(
     
  17. Alan McGrath

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    2009 F430-F1, Having a similar issue, turn the car on and under normal circumstances the car was in "SPORT" mode, using the manettino switch I was able to switch from Sport to Race Mode. I mainly us the car on the race track. Just recently this showed up on my display, see picture. Now the car will only go into "Low Grip Mode" which I assume is the Default Mode. The error code states: ECU NOT communicating with ABS, Have changed both and still having the same issue. ANY HELP IS GREATLY APPRECIATED, Have take the car to several Ferrari Dealers, NO HELP
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  18. Trini430

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    So you replaced the ECU and ABS unit, and to no avail the error remains? Sounds like a wiring issue or interference from something else on the CANBUS network. Curious to know if they checked it properly.
     
  19. Alan McGrath

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    Have checked the wiring harness, have not found any problems. Mainly use the car for track, no Race mode, No Track. Has the mechanic puzzled. He has been working on his issue for two weeks with no results
     
  20. F430htown

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    Hi everyone - any updates on this issue ?
     
  21. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    Do you also have the e-gear warning showing?
     
  22. Alan McGrath

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  23. Circle K

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    keep us in the loop when done
     
  24. Alan McGrath

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    You are getting off very cheap my friend, I paid in total $14,000 in total, new cluster from Italy and installation, once the cluster was installed I have never had any issues.
     
  25. Antmoney

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    Feb 12, 2009
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    I own a 2008 F430 and my instrument cluster is having an issue. Similar to issues on this thread. Dash lights up like a Xmas tree and error code warnings up. Service box has had e-diff warning, car warning with arrows pointing at tires, etc. I have the car at Ferrari dealership and the instrument cluster is being sent to be diagnosed and repaired, to Rod FAI. My question is has anyone had their instrument sent out to FAI and what were typical costs to diagnose & repair? Once repaired, cluster will be sent back to dealership, and reinstalled in my car. If anyone has experienced this issue and had their instrument cluster repaired, let me know. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
     
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