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  1. plasticpi

    plasticpi Rookie

    Nov 19, 2005
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    #1 plasticpi, Apr 1, 2006
    A friend of mine, in an effort to save a little cash, wants to do his 250 nm instrument cross country with me (a commercial, instrument rated pilot) as a safety pilot rather than paying an instructor to ride with him. I've read 61.65 to see if the cross country has to be with an instructor or not, but it's not terribly clear. The only thing that it really says is (61.65(d)(iii)): "For an instrument-airplane rating, instrumetn training on cross-country flight procedures ... that includes at least one cross country ... that is performed under IFR and consists of a distance of at least 250 nautical miles ..." blah blah blah.
    The uncertainty comes in the word "training." Does it have to be with a CFII to be considered "training?" in 61.65(d) (i) and (ii), it specifies that the training under those paragraphs has to be with in an instructor, but under (iii) it just says "training," nothing about an instructor.
    Obviously I'd like the free PIC instrument time, but I don't want my friend to waste all that money just to have to do it again with a CFII.

    I appreciate any help on this...
     
  2. rfking

    rfking Formula Junior

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    #2 rfking, Apr 1, 2006
    Sorry - who is going to provide the logbook endorsement showing the required training?

    Part 61 has no provision for "home schooling."
     
  3. SWITCHESOFF

    SWITCHESOFF Formula Junior

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    #3 SWITCHESOFF, Apr 1, 2006
    Same ol' thing. What makes an airplane fly? Money. One now a days doesn't fly and save money. They have gotcha'
     
  4. jetavi8or

    jetavi8or Rookie

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    #4 jetavi8or, Apr 1, 2006
    Flight training for a pilot certificate or rating conducted under FAR 61 or 141 must be conducted by an appropriately rated instructor. Certainly there are pilots whose skills meet or exceed the standards set forth for the issuance of a flight instructor certificate, but the FAA accepts training only from a certificated instructor. Why? Let's assume your friend's safety pilot is a very competent commercial/instrument rated pilot. While his presence in the cockpit may be one of watching out for traffic and keeping your friend out of trouble, does he actually "teach" flying? Of the minimum 40 hours required under FAR 61, 20 of those must be from an appropriately rated instructor (i.e.: CFII). If you're going to fly in IFR conditions after receiving your Instrument rating, probably with one or more passengers you care about, wouldn't it be nice to have received training from an flight instructor vs. a pilot friend?
     
  5. plasticpi

    plasticpi Rookie

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    #5 plasticpi, Apr 6, 2006
    Bah.... found out it's not going to do him any good anyway. The words "instrument training" as used in the paragraph are defined under 61.1 as training received from an instructor. So much for my free PIC. Bummer, too, today was a perfect day to get some actual...

    I agree that he should do it with an instructor, too, but I wasn't going to turn down some free time.
     

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