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Intake Manifold Gasket

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  1. Autohaus of Boston

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    This 2003 Ferrari 360 Spider came in with the check engine light, engine idling very rough, consistently stalling, backfiring, and all kinds of issues. A common problem with many of these cars is that the intake manifold gasket has a tendency of breaking and creating a large vacuum leak which creates all kinds of drivability issues. Many of these cars such as the 360, 430, 550, and 575 should have their intake manifold gaskets updated with the new Ferrari-designed material to prevent this problem. The check engine light issues and drivability issues created by small or large vacuum leaks is hard to find. Many times - oxygen sensors or emission components get replaced because the fuel mixture is not right and several other issues created by faulty intake manifold gaskets. This is a problem known by Ferrari and it is recommend to update the intake manifold gaskets to the updated Ferrari-designed material. Once updated, the issues of stalling, check engine light, and many hard-to-find issues are resolved. This client’s Ferrari 360 Spider is now running great with the service performed by Tony Ferrari with Autohaus of Boston.

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  2. 430sixspeed

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    Thanks for the info. Do you know when Ferrari switched to the new intake gaskets? I have a 2000 550 with original gaskets. I would assume they are the old design?
     
  3. Autohaus of Boston

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    Your welcome and yes, the early model 550's have the old paper style gaskets, it wasn't till the 575 when they switched to the updated gaskets. We recommend on your next major service to have those updated, to prevent drivability issues in the future.
     
  4. 430sixspeed

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    Thank you.
     
  5. 430sixspeed

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    Would you also know the other two coolant hoses besides the large one from the water pump that need to be replaced under the 550's intake manifold?
     
  6. Autohaus of Boston

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    Yes at would be the right time to replace the bypass coolant hose and the vent return coolant hose at the same time inspect the large one !
     
  7. 430sixspeed

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    Thank you once again
     
  8. Autohaus of Boston

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    You are very welcome.
     
  9. Laserguru

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    One would assume that given the year and model ranges you are identifying, that the 456/456M engines would be affected similarly. ??
     
  10. Autohaus of Boston

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    Good morning,chances are if your 456/456M never had the intake removed for any type of service to be performed still has the old style paper gasket.
     
  11. Laserguru

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    It had a major just last year as part of the purchase agreement but I don't know if the intakes were removed. I suspect if it wasn't necessary, then likely not. I know the coolant hoses weren't swapped at that time. Mores the pity....
     
  12. Autohaus of Boston

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    One way of telling if the gasket has been replaced with an updated one take a good look of the base of the intake manifold you should be able to see a black color gasket.Take a good picture feel free to email it to me.
     
  13. DanNE

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    Thanks for the expertise and sharing in the group...

    Quick question -- from your experience, would a CEL happen due to swapping of the air intake from a Ferrari 360 CS to a regular 360 (spider)? The CS one is less restrictive (closed air duct) whereas the 360 regular (spider one at least) has a bunch of baffles slowing down the air flow.

    We've been getting CEL 1339 which is left side 'timing' in the F430 manual (assume similar in the 360?).

    Thoughts?
     
  14. Autohaus of Boston

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    P1339 Alignment Between Camshaft And Crankshaft Signal (Bank 2) Camshaft position advanced (max) , In my professional opinion changing the intake should not have caused this issue. Possible cause is the timing correlation between the crank shaft and cam shaft is off, possible faulty timing variator.
     
  15. RedNeck

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    Performed this recently, my codes (P0152/32) came back. What torque specs did you use for the intake nuts? I wasn't able to find it in the WSM.
     
  16. Autohaus of Boston

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    Torque specs on the intake manifold nuts per Ferrari is 10Nm or 88in-lb
     
  17. Speed seeker Don

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    My 2004 360 Spyder has the same problem . Is there anything special about replacing the gaskets myself? Is it a trickly unbolt and rebolt job. I have done similar repairs on other cars?
     
  18. Speed seeker Don

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    Well I couldn't wait for a reply. I had a local shop do it and they said that to get at the intake required either to take off the convertible top or enter thru the panel behind the seats and take the plenum apart and use new gaskets to put it all back together. We opted for the lattre becuz we just got the top working properly after a lot of work and money. to make a long story short the job is done after a bill of $2000. No chek engine light and every thing seems ok. /these mechanics chased the chek engine problem for a year and didn't find it until I went to a more experienced shop who diagnosed it as soon as I pulled it in the door. Oh well, just the benefits of driving a Ferrari which costs 5 times the normal cost to repair. Ugh. Maybe i want a new midengine Corvette.
     
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  19. 430sixspeed

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    So the problem was just degraded intake manifold gaskets and nothing else?
     
  20. Autohaus of Boston

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    Is all this cars are getting a little older degraded intake manifold gaskets are starting to cause drivability issues, faulty Intake manifold gaskets they cause major problems in the fuel trim, for the most part overlooked. We decided to included to service and reseal the intake is part of all Major services.
     
  21. 430sixspeed

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    Thank you, as always.
     
  22. Speed seeker Don

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    yes. So far the cel is out and everything is good. Over the last 2 years I have paid for various emission valves to be cleaned which never completly solved the problem. the check engine light used to keep appearing. I was told by the more experienced Ferrari shop that the intake manifold problem is well known.
     
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  23. Autohaus of Boston

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    2002 Ferrari 360 spider in for complete F1 System rebuilt, and intake manifold reseal also refinished with new Ferrari red wrinkle paint and soda blast.
     

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