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  1. 458Spider2013

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    #1 458Spider2013, Dec 19, 2021
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    Chrome plated Ferrari bolts irritating you to tears but hesitating forking over $700-$1400 to fix the issue? I may have a solution for us if there's enough interest.

    Looking to set up a potential Group Buy for sets of 20 of these black titanium bolts (for oem wheel fitment only). I am not allowed various custom sizes and seating options. All bolts will be the same oem Ferrari spec. I need to provide supplier with an order of 1000 pc to get price down (price break at 50 sets of 20).

    Not only do these bolts look spectacular being black and incorporating the internal hex, I believe these bolts weigh almost half of oem and are far stronger being made of aircraft grade titanium. Details and specs to come.

    If someone can also provide me with other modern Ferrari models that share this bolt size, I'll post in the other forums as well. If I can get a commitment of the 50 sets, we will be very happy with the price I assure you.

    I am in N America so be aware of your approximate postage add.

    Give me a thumbs up here to express your interest so I can get an idea if this is doable..
     
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    #4 FerrariCognoscenti, Dec 19, 2021
    I am interested if they are made in the US/UK/Europe, but count me out if they’re from a Chinese supplier.


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    Will not be Chinese. US made locally.
     
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    #6 Ferrarista98, Dec 19, 2021
    Can you pm or post approximate price range we’re talking about here?
     
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    trying to cut the going rate by 40% ish, ill have further info when I can negotiatate based on our interest. I know to get a great price we need to meet the 1000 minimum run or 50 sets of 20. Im thinking $400 would be the sweet spot for US made bolts.

    Here are some current examples...

    https://www.acerracing.com/products/ferrari-titanium-lug-bolts?variant=14347841601571&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=Cj0KCQiAzfuNBhCGARIsAD1nu-8ZNKAEYG7-swqTQXUmkiz2bO8qBsOfXSiTFynTXaE4nXzKCDwQIO8aAnkiEALw_wcB

    https://www.exoticcargear.com/product/ferrari-challenge-titanium-wheel-bolts-with-black-finish/
     
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    #8 458Spider2013, Dec 19, 2021
    Weight:

    OEM Spec Steel Bolt: 128 grams

    OEM Spec Ti Bolt: 63 grams

    40% Percent weight savings over “stock” steel bolts:
     
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    Weight:

    OEM Spec Steel Bolt: 128 grams

    OEM Spec Ti Bolt: 63 grams

    40% Percent weight savings over “stock” steel bolts:
     
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    #10 Need4Spd, Dec 19, 2021
    Having rounded out a number of hex head Allen screws in my lifetime, they scare me putting them on a wheel, especially one that has deep recesses for the bolts. But that’s just me. I do think Hill Engineering’s Torx solution is better if I were to go away from the standard wheel bolts.


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    #11 mkraft3003, Dec 19, 2021
    Just out of curiosity, what is the price break? Are you taking $50 off, 50% off?
     
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    #12 SVCalifornia, Dec 19, 2021
    So what is the targeted price for qty 20??

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    Titanium tho
     
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    #14 kenneyd, Dec 19, 2021
    Are these being manufactured in the US?
     
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    I'm clearly saying that I won't have a price to post until I know how many bolts would be purchased. I am prepared to fork my money over to secure the bolts and offer them up to you guys as opposed to "herding the cats" to generate the purchase money but what I'm trying to do at this point is to see how the interest is looking. As I said, 50 sets of 20 or 1000 units will yield us a very nice discount. I'm trying to get us these at $399 a set or somewhere around that figure but I would like to see say 30 commitments first before I spring for the 50 sets so I don't get into ta de facto ebay lug bolt business just to break even. The sooner I get the "I'm in's", the sooner I will place the order. Three week turn around time was what I was quoted.

    $20 per bolt is a steal. Ferrari charges $81.37 per, and those aren't even anodized black.
     
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    Good question. Yes. Not China.
     
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    nice!
     
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    #20 Qavion, Dec 19, 2021
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    As far as I can see, they would not be suitable for a 355. I just took some measurements of a new F355 OEM bolt (still in a clear plastic packet which I didn't want to open). They are much longer. They have an unthreaded shank/shaft length of around 30mm and thread length of around 21mm (total 51mm, not including the taper). I haven't got anything to measure the taper angle.

    The hex head on the OEM bolt is 25~26mm diagnonally measured. The wheel hole size was around 33mm, so 30mm would be ok for the head.

    Perhaps the extra length is required because there is an aluminium insert in the magnesium wheel.
     
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    #21 RayJohns, Dec 19, 2021
    I had some Ferrari Ti wheel bolts made a while back just for fun. They turned out real nice. I was actually going to see about doing a group buy as well, but haven't gotten around to it.

    I had two pre-production lots made: one raw Titanium and one black PVD coated. Ended up selling both versions to fellow Ferrarichat members who shall remain nameless :)

    BTW, I don't believe you can anodize Titanium into a black color. Are you talking about using a PVD process?

    Ray

    Here are some photos of the ones I did last year:



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    #22 RayJohns, Dec 19, 2021
    The above have forged/rolled threads, hot forged T80 torx heads and captive washer as shown. 52mm length.

    If you are going to do a run, you might want to consider doing some which are +10mm or something for those running wheel spacers. That would be handy if you get enough orders.

    $20 a bolt is pretty good pricing. I was going to sell mine for around $599 a set including the T80 impact bit.

    Ray
     
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    #23 RayJohns, Dec 19, 2021
    Where the manufacturer is located isn't what's important. It's whether or not they have proficiency in working with Titanium and if their people know what they are doing or not. Plenty of state of the art Titanium manufacturing firms located in places like Russia, Italy, China, etc, etc. these days. In fact, due to all the BS and red tape in the USA currently, I actually was unable to find any competent Titanium manufactures in the America who could produce the bolts without the hassles and final costs being far too great.

    I'd be curious to know who in the USA can produce bolts which a final sale price of $20 each.

    I've purchased Titanium hardware made in the USA which I had to throw into the trash, because the thread quality under a microscope was so terrible. So again, pays to do your research in this area - especially when it comes to holding on your Ferrari wheels while going around corners on race tracks, etc.

    Ray
     
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    #24 458Spider2013, Dec 19, 2021
    I like the Torx T80. Eliminate the need for wheel locks. Hmm.
     
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    #25 RayJohns, Dec 19, 2021
    "Titanium tho" what?

    The yield strength of steel is generally about twice that of Ti.

    Ray
     
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