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  1. champtc

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    #1 champtc, Feb 12, 2007
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    I am starting to redo the interior on a a 1971 euro coupe 246 gt serial # 01832. The entire interior is beige(tan) leather, including the dash. I have pulled the dash & am having it redone in black mousehair. I thought all Dino's came with the black dash so I felt ok changing it. The exterior of the car is red & I am considering changing the carpets to black, the center console , door tops & fire wall top piece (the trim that is at the top) to black. I do not know what the interior looked like originally but were all of these items black when they left the factory? Also what were some of the more common interior color schemes on a red car when they were new? Also is the steering wheel on this correct? The hub was different from my '74 246 gts & I wondered if this one is from a 308gt4 as I heard sometimes the were switched around? Thanks
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  2. tx246

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    congrats on the car, i know the car you bought. the cars didn't have a leather dash originally. mouse hair would be the correct material. the central tunnel, fire wall "cap", and door top surfaces should be done in the black dino grained vinyl.

    the steering wheel is neither 246 nor 308, it appears to be some type of aftermarket wheel, the outer rim is WAY too thick.

    your seats do appear to be a correct version, however they match the rest of the interior, so i figure they were done at the same time.

    if it was me and you were not going to repaint the car, given your seats and lower door panels are good, i would re-upholster the door tops, fire wall cap, center tunnel, and windsheild pillars in the correct dino black vinyl and leave what you have. the mouse hair dash will amke a huge difference in not only appearance, but also in reducing the reflection when driving.
     
  3. John Corbani

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    Steering wheel appears to be a Momo "Prototipo" wheel. The photos do not give a close up of the lower aluminum arm. Momo signs all of their wheels on the lower arm so ID is easy. I bought my car from a guy that had raced it and had installed a 250 mm OD Momo wheel. Could see neither speedo or tach. Had a Hell of a time parking. Needed bigger shoulder muscles. I switched to a 370 mm OD Momo wheel within a month. It is larger than the stock wheel and like yours, has a larger grip. I am happy with mine. You can see both Speedo and Tach when driving in a straight line. Only difference I can see between mine and yours is a third hole in lower arm. Take a look at some of my old Dino Saga posts. I am sure that there are pics there and you can compare.

    Beautiful car. I would not change anything but the upper dash. Mouse Hair makes sense there just to reduce glare. Rest of the car is just fine. Enjoy!

    John
     
  4. tx246

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    fyi-momo prototipo wheels have three holes in the lower spoke
     
  5. champtc

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    This is great help. So the windshield pillars were black too? What about the piece in front of the door(I guess the extension from the pillars to the floor?). I am curious if you would change the carpet to black? I think it would give it a cleaner appearance. I have the steering wheel in front of me. It has the word "president" on the center spoke (6 o'clock position) with a crown above it. It is the same shape as my 246 gts but the 6 mounting holes are slightly off. It screws right in though. I really appreciate the help. I will likely redo this while the dash is being done. Thanks
     
  6. tx246

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    don't know o fthat steering wheel, but i have never seen a dino with that configuration.

    as for the piece from the top of the door to the bottum, i would have to see it before i can say- as i am not certain what you are describing.

    carpets in black would look really nice, however, i wouldn't just limit myself to black
     
  7. champtc

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    it's the piece that runs just beneath the dash to the floor. You can see it in the 2nd picture. If you extended the piece that is on the side of the windshield down to the floor ...that is the piece. It is at the front edge of the door jamb next to the hood opening lever. Also my car does not have a horizontal piece that should sit at the top of the windshield. In the 246gts they have a horizontal piece that the sun shades roll into...were these on the coupe's? If so mine is missing.
     
  8. tx246

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    i believe so, however, my coupe isn't at my home for comparison purposes.
     
  9. ENZOSON

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    #9 ENZOSON, Feb 12, 2007
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    To the best of my knowledge ( this car has been in our Family for over 30years) this interior is all original. Chances are that since you car is an early Euro car, your interior was vinyl like mine (but not sure). Hope these photos help you in your efforts.


    Cheers


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  10. tx246

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    pietro,

    your interior looks right on. other than the speakers, the dash material looks newer, but the interior is absolutely crrect.
     
  11. ENZOSON

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    Wspeer,

    The dash is original but I "freshened it up a little with swede (sp) dye spray. Worked great.

    A question for you. The strip above each door in my car is the bone colored (but not perforated) type like the headliner. The strip runs after the vertical pillars (which are black) all the way to the back. I always questioned that in the car
    All the cars that I have seen use the the grain vinyl there...


    Cheers

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  12. dm_n_stuff

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    Tan interior with black carpet is a very sharp looking combination.

    I have that in my car now, which had black seats and red carpet when I bought it.

    With 20/20 hindsight, I might have left the black/red combo. I've seen that once or twice and it actually looks very good too.

    DM
     
  13. 4redno

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    Some cars had tan Dino vinyl instead of black Dino vinyl throughout. Of course, the dash was always mousehair.

    Something to consider if you like tan vs. black.

    ...Keith
     
  14. celestialcoop

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    For champtc:

    Hi. I have a couple of questions & also noticed an ebay item for you to check out.
    While I'm no expert, I believe that your ammeter is incorrect. If so, what do you think about replacing it with a Veglia/Borletti to match the rest of your gauges? Regardless, Superformance (& probably other vendors) has replacement knurled fasteners for the instrument panel. It appears that one of yours is broken. New ones would look great, too.
    Here's the other question. Is the large red light in center of the dash an emergency flasher light/switch? If not, what is it? I’ve not seen one like that on any other Dino. I believe that the USA cars had a seat belt warning light, but it was smaller & a different design. If if yours was added by a PO, will you delete it during the dash makeover?
    Lastly, this might be of interest to you:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-Dino-246GT-S-Original-Steering-Wheel_W0QQitemZ190082215971QQihZ009QQcategoryZ6763QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    Good luck & keep us posted.
    Coop
     
  15. champtc

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    Coop- great catch! Yep, the ammeter & clock are both VDO's . They sort of bother me but I have bigger things to focus on first.The knurled nuts are chewed up & 1 is missing. I think the red thing is an original flasher (it is not a seat belt light). My center console appears to have been modified too as it is more rounded & not square like the others I have seen. In fact it does not have a cig lighter nor ash tray & it is a euro model (we know how fond the europeans are of cigarettes!!). So there are a few things to look after. I suspect if I do change the wheel I will get one from Superformance. I get to the UK once a quarter & try to get as much from them as I can. Thanks for the heads up!
     
  16. tx246

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    pietro,

    i honestly don't know the answer to that. i would assume your car wouldn't have had that change made to it as everything else is so original. i'll check my coupe next time i see it.



     
  17. champtc

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    I just checked that flasher (it is a flasher) and it is activated by pulling it out. The mechanism is very intergrated into the rest of the wiring to be an add on in my opinion. If so it took someone alot of screwing around to do so. It seems stock. It has the words "nicht werfen" written on the side of it which sounds like something ominous in German. I double checked my strange console & have discovered that the original has merely been covered over. Possibly the original material & shape is hidden underneath the beige leather cover. I will post you on things as I uncover (literally) them. Thanks
     
  18. ENZOSON

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    Thank you Sir... that would be great.


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    nicht werfen

    don't throw, don't fire, don't who the hell knows.
     
  20. AndruetBiche

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  21. celestialcoop

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    OK, now we're getting somewhere! According to my copy of the BODYWORK SPARE PARTS CATALOG (CAT. n. 52/71 FROM CAR 02132), TAV 115/TAVOLA 115 refers to N. Fig. 13 as an "Intermittore emergenza con spia incorporata." Literal translation is: "Intermittore emergency with built-in spy" or "Intermittore emergency with spy incorporated." I imagine that could mean: Emergency flasher switch and indicator light.
    Further, the NOTE in the TAVOLA for N. Fig. 13 says "Vale per D." Literally: "Forward to D." Again, exercising my linguistic license, I read this as: Export to D. I don't know what the 'D' country-code stands for. Anyone know? How about Deutschland? (There's also a 'DK' code in the TAVOLA. Denmark?) Of course, my catalog is for later cars. It appears that CAT. n. 45/70 YEAR 1970 is the manual that covers yours.
    As for the German switch/light, "nicht werfen" has a multitude of literal translations, one of which is "not to drop" Hmmm. Could it be nothing more ominous than: Do Not Drop? At any rate, since NOT all 'Euro' cars were created equal, it's quite possible that yours was, as you suggest, wired at the factory to connect to a 'nicht werfen' switch...or a reasonable Italian facsimile thereof.

    Pietro, your Dino appears to have a smaller version of the light in question. If so, does the switch below it activate that light in concert with another function?

    Back to champtc, my observation here is really a WAG; my Dino is a ‘Euro’ Type-E, of late ’72 vintage. My reference material is for later cars, too. So weigh this input accordingly and take it with the proverbial grain of salt. The info from the members with the earlier cars is likely more applicable to yours.
    Coop
     
  22. celestialcoop

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    #22 celestialcoop, Feb 14, 2007
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    The vertical piece beneath the the dash is black on my car.
    The horizontal piece above windshield is probably a Spyder thing, as coupes seem to have fixed shades. Mine are.
    Color of carpets is tan.
    Hell, here are some pictures.
    Remember, "...grain of salt."
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  23. vintageracer27

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    Just curious...................what is the pad of extra material above the glove box? (see first photo on post #9). I have never seen this before. Beautiful car btw.
     
  24. ENZOSON

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    Not sure. It's been there since June 1976 when my Dad bought the car.

    Pietro
     
  25. ENZOSON

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    The switch turns on the single rear fog light under the left bumper. The red light turns on when the switch is on.

    Pietro
     

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