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Is $12K for a 355 Spider belt service (before any additional problems found) within range for 2023?

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  1. A348W

    A348W Formula 3

    Jun 28, 2017
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    Even for John’s list above, over here youd still see change out of $7-8k.

    you guys are getting fleeced. (apologies, i know that doesnt help you directly!)
     
  2. rob lay

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    DFW has several options.

    Norwoods Auto Italia has been my 20+ year favorite. They did my 355 major 5/21. Parts and labor for just the major was $8k. With the pandemic, boom, and inflation that is higher now. Here is summary for major...

    -R&R engine
    -Replace cam belts and tensioners
    -Degree cam timing
    -Reseal valve covers and cam seals
    -Paint valve covers with fresh wrinkle red
    -Replace front crank seal
    -Replace accessory belts
    -Replace spark plugs
    -Change and flush all fluids
    -Check ignition wires and connections
    -Replace fuel filter
    -Flush and bleed hydraulics
    -Replace air filters
    -Adjust parking brake
    -Check hoses and connections
    -Service A/C
    -Test drive

    I just recently had an oil service and extra stuff done at Boardwalk Ferrari. It was a great experience they got me in within a week, got the work done quick, cost was more than fair, and I have had almost zero problems and squawks since (one latch front bonnet not releasing from handle).

    The other shop I was talking about is ShadeTree, I have never used them and don't know their current status, but I've had a lot of friends use them.

    https://www.shadetreeenginetrics.com

    I'm still a longtime fan of Norwoods, but since they sold partly out it isn't quite the same quick to drop car off, timely service, reasonable costs, and squawk free pick up. They are still probably better than 90% of the independents in the USA and as an example they have probably done 500+ 355 majors and 1,000's more from 275 GTB's to SF90's.
     
  3. 76Steel

    76Steel Formula 3

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    I agree with John. Know what needs to addressed and what the quote for the work will be. See if that quote makes sense to you - labor rate, labor hours and parts. Then, ask for any additional work to be OK'd by you. Some of it you would want to do, some not. You have to "know", otherwise these bills can run away from you very fast.
     
  4. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    That is exactly how quality shops do it with one exception. Less than 5% of our clients have a clue as to what should be done. It is the shop who should have the list. If the client knows enough to generate a list 95% are doing it themselves. Do you go into the dentist or doctor with a list of what specific procedures they should do? I don't, I am not a doctor. Thats why I go to them.
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Pretty outrageous unless there are a lot of things needing to be done outside the scope of a normal major service. That can very well be true. I keep a list of upcoming needs on clients cars so they can be addressed at a future service but the clients are informed of that. If that conversation does not take place you are not being well served. But, there are clients who just do not want to be troubled with any details. All they care about is bottom line. If you are one of those, keep doing what you are doing. Very very few here understand the real world of this business. They feel every client is like them. Its a very naive view.
     
  6. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    And you are clueless. It has been long established the costs are dramatically different. Stay in the UK would you please.

    You are likewise getting fleeced on gasoline and taxes. Another apple to oranges comparison.
     
  7. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    If you know better than I about what it needs, do it yourself.
     
  8. redwedge

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    Be interesting to hear which costs are much higher for a Ferrari shop in the US vs the UK. Which, by the way, is more expensive than Italy for Ferrari servicing.
     
  9. Rifledriver

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    For cars that are well and regularly maintained thats quite common. The fact of the matter is despite so many comments here to the contrary few cars come in for a big service that are well and regularly maintained.
     
  10. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Been gone over here a thousand times.
     
  11. A348W

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    ahhh you're still here, shame!
     
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  12. rob lay

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    ohh, mine went WAY above! You make a good point and owners need to understand that 90% or more don't get away for just the major costs, but to compare apples to apples.

    my car was a 13k mile garage queen that owner spent 5-digits on cosmetics, but nothing mechanical. I had to get the mechanicals up to date, which has been $20-25k.
     
  13. 76Steel

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    Because Italians know that Ferraris are cars, lol.
     
  14. 76Steel

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    I wasn't talking to you. I don't see Roger Federer hang out at enthusiast tennis forums scolding everyone on their technique. Yet, here you are on F-Chat.
    You might be a mechanic but part of being a professional is acting like one.
     
  15. johnk...

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    I do all my own service except for the engine out. I don't don't have a lift and wouldn't attempt one with jack stands. Plus, at 76yrs old, if I can't do it in a day I won't do it at all. All my wife needs is a 355 with the engine out and I kick the bucket. :(;)

    Anyway, there really isn't much that can't be done with the engine in the car except belts, water pump and cam seals (and related stuff).
     
  16. jjtjr

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    And verify/adjust cam timing. (That does require some additional time and tooling)
     
  17. Rifledriver

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    Correct and I get that. Thats what puts you in the 1% of Ferrari owners. You know what its needs are but to impose that understanding on the average owner is wrong. They have no clue what the car needs and why it comes to us. I have had prospective customers bring me lists of what they wanted that so ignored the real needs of the car I just thank them for the opportunity and tell them I cannot help them. Poorly maintained and band aided cars are hardly a good advertisement for me.
     
  18. ChoonHound

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    Many years ago there was a DC area mechanic who liked to run his mouth on here. After a few years he had to go out of business, flee to Texas, ave leave many folks in the lurch. I’d rather my mechanic spend his/her time on my car. But that’s just me.
     
  19. Rifledriver

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    There used to be a lot of professionals here giving advice but after dealing with so many a s s h o l e s like you most left.
     
  20. ChoonHound

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  21. Uberpower

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    Anyone know what Dave’s prices are at Scuderia Rampante in CO these days? I assume he’s still considered to be among the best.
     
  22. AceMaster

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    A quick call to his shop will get you that answer
     
  23. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Maybe, maybe not. Dave is a lot like me in the sense he hates providing price estimates for cars he has not seen. He knows well the biggest variable is the cars history of the quality of care it has had. That can be determined pretty quickly but only in person.
     
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  25. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I don't even price it anymore. Car must be on site and inspected. Every car has different needs. I always quote high..if I think it going to be 10..I'll tell you 15. And discount from there.

    Ferrari ownership and repair are a self inflicted issue. I didn't force you to buy the car. If it broken..pay the bill.
     
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