Is 360/430 gated shifter mania spreading to Gallardos?

Gated shifter mania is obviously rampant right now for all F cars. I wonder if people who wanted a manual 360 or 430 and couldn't find the right car at the right price are buying manual Gallardos instead?

The Gallardo is a much different car with most of them being AWD. And Audi's influence over Lamborghini has its pros and cons. But despite that I wonder if buyers who preferred a modern Ferrari with a gated shifter switched over to the Gallardo to get a better purchase price.

I'm in So Cal and there were always a lot of manual 1st gen Galardos for sale here. But now they're all gone!

And if the manual Gallardos are being scooped up by collectors is the manual R8 next? The R8 is a lot heavier than a 360 or 430 and a lot less exotic. But it's not a bad car. And even the V10 model is starting to look like a bargain. A dealer in San Diego has a manual 2014 V10 Plus with a few thousand miles on it for about $150K. Perhaps gated shifter Ferrari fans who would never have given two seconds of thought to buying an Audi will consider cars like this simply due to the transmission.

 

I thought long and hard about a (manual) Gallardo and R8 before buying my 360 manual last spring. To me, there is limited collectible value with the Gallardo or R8 - even in a manual. That said, I'm sure their values will rise with enough time but not like a gated Ferrari.

The hot ticket in the Lambo world (for me) would be a gated Murcielago. V12, scissor doors, and 3 pedals. Last of the line for their pinnacle car of the time. I looked high + low for one but I could only find crummy or modded examples.

 

I thought about a manual Gallardo or R8 as well before getting my 3 pedal 430. I wasn't really worried too much about long term values. I just liked the 430 better because it seemed more exciting to drive to me.

I agree the gated Ferraris will have more value as a collector car. Maybe if the manual Gallardo or R8 cars go up it will be due to supply and demand if people look at them as good cars to buy and put a lot of miles on. The R8 in particular would be a good DD with a gated shifter. My 430 attracts too much attention to use as a DD. The R8 is a lot more common where I live and would probably not be too annoying to drive on a routine basis. I can barely drive my 430 without it causing people around me to drive like a crazy person. The last time I took it out a guy in a lifted truck got so excited by it that he wanted to race. I let him win because I had no interest in getting a reckless driving ticket for racing in a 35 MPH zone. The R8 would probably not bring out as much excitement in other drivers.

The gated Murcielago would be nice. It is hard to find good one, especially in the color you want. So many have tacky mods.

 

Haha...it's always the guys in the lifted trucks, I swear!

Yah, here in San Diego - at Jake's Motorcars - they currently have FIVE R8s (with a stick) for sale. The funny part is each one of their ads shouts *Rare* in the title. I went to a local Cars & Coffee event here about a year ago and it must have been "R8 day" because there were about 2 dozen of them.

 

Definite possibility. There was a member here searching for an F355 for a while and ended up buying a gated Gallardo.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ferraris/468814-f355-red-tan-6speed-berlinetta-gts-offer-cash.html

 

Yeah the lifted truck guys get so amped up!

Also Mustang GT drivers seem to get very excited too. One of the first times I took my car out at night a couple guys in a Mustang tried their hardest to get me to race them. I didn't bite and was lucky I kept my cool. A cop saw them trying to bait me (they were in the next lane over and kept speeding up and slowing down) and pulled them over.

 

Makes sense. The gated Gallardos were getting so cheap while manual F355s were going up. Now it seems like the only cheap Gallardos are the E Gear cars.

 

Does anybody know what percentage of Gallardos were manual? How about how many total Gallardos produced? I know it is by far the largest volume Lamborghini overall.

I am curious how rare the manual Gallardo is compared to the Manual 430?

For whatever reason it doesn't seem like the manual Gallardos have been as coveted. Not sure if that is because there are more of them, or because of the driving dynamics of the car.

 

Time to pick up a green or orange one now.....

 

Drove a stick Gallardo here a few years back. I wasn't too impressed. The car in general wasn't that "nimble" until you got it above 60 or 80 MPH. I don't know if the stick would really add that much more engagement for the chassis over the e-gear to be honest.. and I'm a rabid 3-pedaller!

 

About 14,000 in total were produced but I am not sure on the manual numbers.

As to the OP, I think the reason for the earlier E-Gear (or whatever its called) Gallardos still staying on the market is that with '04 Gallardo it had a very jumpy ride due to some gearbox issues that were fixed after '05. So if you see a sub 100k Gallardo that is '04, you know part of the reason why it significantly less expensive than LP560's.

 

I just posted a list of LP stick Gallardo's a few days back on this board. There are not many ---- 59 LP's manuals produced to be exact. The LP and pre LP are different driving experience cars. They really are a blast -- drive one if you can find one.

Here's the link to the list:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/lamborghinichat-com-sponsored-cats-exotics/506875-manual-lp-gallardo-model-color-production-us-spec.html

 

I am sure lots of members read the article regarding Ferrari's directions. One was for 6 cylinder engine with smaller frame. The other thing mentioned was about manual transmission. People ordered only 3 for Italia and that is when Ferrari decided not to produce gated cars. They also mentioned about the rising popularity on second hand market for gated shift cars. I will read the article again when I go home tonight.

 

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An F430 with manual would be closest to a RWD Gallardo with manual, of which 43 were sold in the US (see the list linked above), with 25 of those being Anniversary cars built in the final year of Gallardo production.

I believe they are not as 'coveted' because so few are aware they exist. There was no marketing here beyond the limited Balboni, which did receive rave reviews at the time, until the Anniversary model was circulated among the press in the Gallardo's final year. Which was basically the same car as the Balboni four years later, and while no longer competitive with contemporary supercars, is unique because of it. As are the 13 sold here from 2010-2013 book-ended by those special edition models.

As for dynamics, here is one man's opinion...

https://youtu.be/N15v6CTcLN8

 

Lamborghini has never had the collectibility of Ferrari, so I don't think the Gallardo will have as much of a craze as the 360/430.

I had no idea that manual LP550/560s were that rare. Good to know.

 

The LP560-2 is really quite a special car. It's light (3,042 pds), has the SL interior and carbon seats and nothing like a NA V10. Performs well too (0-62 in 3.4s).

2013 Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-2 50th Anniversario Edition drive review | Autoweek

 

I think in time it will.

The ship sailed on 430 prices, now 360 prices...just a matter of time until people start looking in the next logical direction that feel they got left out on the run up.

The gallardo requires far less maintenance to own than the 360 and is considerably more powerful.

6 speed gallardos are already trading at a small premium compared to the e-gear models. I would also be willing to say the amount of 6 speed 360s is far greater than the amount of 6 speed gallardos.

I believe the LP series has only about 50 cars. Pre LP has considerably more, but in my research the amount of pre-lp cars with a manual seems to be a bit less than you would think.

04 had the most, but the production numbers drop off fast in subsequent years.


If your interested...Id say right now is the best time to buy.

 

Way less production then the 360 and 430 just by numbers alone there are way less Gallardo's produced.....haven't seen the craze for 360 or 430..what is it?

 

It is indeed a special car, performs well, and has the SL carbon seats and Alcantara. However it does not have the CF door panels and center console of the SL, only some CF appliques. And it may have a dry weight of 3,042lb, but that is definitely not the curb weight as quoted by AW. See the test sheet linked to the C&D article below (lower right of the web page) - an Anniversary car with SL carbon seats would have a curb weight similar to their 3,400lb Balboni test car with optional CCBs:

2010 Lamborghini Gallardo LP550-2 Valentino Balboni ? Instrumented Test ? Car and Driver

 

i do not know... i am not sure gallardo will ever be collectable (with execption of superleggera and squadra corse cars)

but IF a manual gallardo is a future collectable and if they should rise ...let's say as a 150k $ car, i am SURE a regular ogirinal diablo will be then at least double the Gallardo price.

any diablo is SO much more special and lamborghini that it is not even comparable

 

That is great info, thank you

I always knew the manual LP cars were very rare simply because it was so hard to find one for sale. Now I can see that they are extremely rare.

The 50th Anniversary edition is my favorite one. RWD and stick. IMO it's more of a spiritual successor to the Countach than the last of the manual V12 cars due to the V12 cars getting so big and them being AWD.

 

I don't know about prices in Europe but here in the US the Diablo has already risen a lot. They've all been purchased by collectors. I wish I had bought one when they were still cheap...

 

You know your cars well. The 560-2 is quite the car that one day may be recognized as one of the last pure sports cars.

 

Thank you. It's funny how much of a car addict I am. I just got a Scud and I love it. But I can't stop. Now that I've ticked that box all I can think about is the 560-2.