is alonso really that good?

Hello FC,

i personally a big ferrari fan. i was wondering if alonso's success has to do lot with renault and michelin. kimi seems to be very good driver and MS has won few races but it almost like luck. what do you guys think?

alonso is 05 champ and again leading the race by 15points. is it the car or is it the driver? if kimi, MS or button were to drive renault, would they have same lead as Alonso?

 

Ask agian if Alonso actually goes to McLaren and has to drive in a different car, then we should get a definite answer.

IMO he has skill and talent, you don't win races based solely on the car. However the Renaults are clearly the best machine on the track right now so that does help him out tremendously.

 

I don't think this is a case of a JV '97. Alonso drives the car very quickly, just look at the lap times. More importantly, he doesn't make any mistakes, even under pressure with Michael on his tail (i.e. San Marino last year). All in all I'd say he's a really good driver.

 

He's numbers are constant around the track....great car, great team = Championship.....its always the complete package, only way to win.

Kimi last year could have won the thing, but the car crapped, and Montoya was a bonehead with his tennis inuiry.....once again, its always the whole package.

 

Alonso and team are right where they need to be to win. I do think he has handled the sucess very well. He stays smart and doesn't screw up.

 

He is the real deal. Incredible mature for his age. Very fast. Makes few mistakes if any. Impervious to pressure. Thinking driver. Worthy World Champion.

F1 has only three established superstars - Michael, Kimi and Alonso.

 

Not to mention he's a good sport. A worthy successor to the crown.

 

Its obviously not the car i mean look at fisi.

 

As others have said, he's the real deal. Whether he's currently as good as MS is debatable (I think he has some way to go), but could he potentially be a champion rivalling MS? I think so. Only time will tell, of course.

 

"Incredible mature for his age. Very fast. Makes few mistakes if any. Impervious to pressure. Thinking driver. Worthy World Champion."

Yep, more than once, for sure.

-Peter (still think Schuey's records will never be equaled)

 

He is the real deal, and I don't think MS's numbers will ever be equaled. Unless it happens in 50 years like Fangio's record of 5 Championships.

 

IMO a lot of it is confidence in your team, your car, and yourSELF.

There have been a lot of incredibly fast drivers in F1 that just don't seem to crack the top 2 or 3 (in WDC points), some of that is because of a few that were racing with them at the same time (and I will digress back to the 80's with Senna, Prost, Piquet and Lauda), but Arnoux was a helluva driver that just couldn't put it all together, so was Pironi, and we could argue Johannson as well, all fast, but missing that 3rd element. Even Berger...

I always thought Thierry Boutsen was better than what he was credited with, and Cheever had a lot of great runs where his Renault let him down...

 

Alonso is very good. The Renault makes him look better than he is. Even with his youth, Fred will not equal Michael Schumacher by the end of his (Fred) career.

I really believe that Kimi is better than Fred, if Kimi was in the Renault, you would see a slightly better scenario as you do with Fred. I say slightly, only because the Renault's reliablity is such so far that it doesn't get any better than this no matter who is driving.

 

Alonso's got it, no question. Kimi seems to be hard on the cars, and seems not quite complete. Button seems to be lacking some pace in my opinion, and JPM is too inconsistant but brilliant at times. The only complete package out there now is Alonso. Even when MS was FA's age he was pretty dirty. I've never seen any trace of that in FA.

 

How much does MS's experience come into play? I guess if you are a good driver, you just do what they tell you to do, but I would think all of that experience would be a big asset. In 5 year's time, FA may be even more formidable than he is today as a driver.

Of course, if the car blows up, it doesn't matter much.

 

How is Kimi an established superstar????? He is very highly rated, and shows a lot of potential, but the same can be said about many other drivers as well.

 

Yes, Alonso is really that good.

I think he just goes about his business in a very prefessional and un-dramatic way. He is incredibly fast (look how easily he dominates Fisi), and also very consistent. He rarely makes mistakes. Of course, the car is very strong, but I think the main ingredient is the success is Alonso first, and the car second.

It will be very interesting to see what happens next year at McLaren, especially if Kimi or Montoya is his team mate.

 

I agree that only time will tell the true level of his ability. It's always easy to say "Yeah, but he's in the best car." But don't forget that it's just as easy for an average to good driver to bring an excellent car down to his level and make the least of the opportunity. It's probably not fair to use any of Michael's teammates as an example since we never really know the depths of his #1 status. But Fisichella has basically the same car as Alonso (OK, with a little worse luck) and doesn't seem to be able to maximize its potential. Coulthard was kind of the same way at McLaren. He'd get the occasional win, but never seemed able to take the best car at the time and really run away with it.

 

He is the 2005 WDC and is currently leading the 2006 WDC. He has been under pressure from MS this year and KR last year. He did well with Renault when they were not as competitive as the the other top teams a couple of years back. Thus IMO, he is that good until proven otherwise. Got to give credit where it is due.

 

For me FA is a very good driver, Every one thinks that MS records are invincible and that no one will every beat them, but then all of a sudden FA comes along with the ability,talent & age on his side to challenge what Michael has achieved.

Its interesting that Renualt have almost signed a top driver for next year. Could it be MS going back to Renualt?

 

I'm not trying to take anything away from what he has done. renault seems to be lot better than any other cars on the field.

 

In the same way Ferrari has been in the past with MS at the wheel. So does that mean that MS did not deserve those WCs? Even the best car needs a talented driver to get the victories and points.

Only time will tell, but as many had pointed out here before, IMO he has the talent and head to continue on pursue of MS achivements.

If only FA could keep is mouth shut when he is out of the track! He will learn, as MS and others have done in the past, I hope.

- Julio.

 

I agree with many above, his talents are real and his is very very consistent. That was so cool yesterday, in the heat of the battle when he and MS were trading laps within tenths for quite a while. Very focused and so rarely off line.

 

I have followed the sport since 1967.The answer to the question is yes.

 

Yes he's that talented,motivated,rutheless or whatever makes the magic mix.
KR is still too much of an unkown qauntity imo,..how good/bad is the McClaren?
You could nearly say simular about Button,but he just does'nt seem to go that extra mile when needed lately.
JPM brilliant but too volatile/erratic.
Rosberg looks great so early on,even Massa is settling well atm..