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Is Briatore the determining factor in today's F1?

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  1. FerrariStuff.com

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    I was pondering over this, fired by the "MS preempting RB" thread.

    I honestly believe that Briatore is the driving force behind a "potential F1 World Champion" when I look at history and the 2005 season.

    Briatore took over the leadership of Benetton, took on MS (made 1 personal mistake which was to leave MS under management of Mr. 20%, which he corrected with Alonso) et voila! 2 titles.

    Briatore left Benetton... Benetton? Wozzzdat?

    Renault buys Benetton, Renault brings back Briatore, Briatore takes on Alonso (already under his personal management from the start) et voila! The first title (+ manufacturers title).

    Yes, of course, there are probably a million factors that determine wheter you can win or not but the success of an outfit DOES rely for a large part on the management and I think Briatore is one of the greatest managers in today's F1.

    Don't misunderstand me, Briatore is a 1st class arrogant a$$ and a crook (count your fingers after you shook his hand!) but aren't those "qualities" the basis of "killer instinct"?

    I don't know anybody in a management position in F1 in let's say the last 10 - 15 years who doesn't actually own a F1 outfit that has met similar success as Briatore.

    Yes, Sir Frank Williams can be seen as a "driving force", raking up 2 constructor titles after MS left Benetton so he would be my "other candidate" also because of his lifetime commitment to F1 and the guts to own and operate his ow team and risking his personal money as well with that.

    Who is Ferrari's "killer manager"?

    Jean Todt? He's smart, VERY smart, already proved that when he ran the Peugeot rally outfit which he turned into a championship winning outfit. But is he the "killer"? Dunno...

    Ross Brawn? A GENIUS but a killer manager? Dunno...

    Luca de Montezemolo? He's they guy that freed up the $$$ to put together the Ferrari F1 team as we know it today including the "purchase" of MS. He did lead Ferrari and Niki Lauda to the 1975 titles, still under Enzo but F1 was a different ball game back then.

    What are your thoughts?
     
  2. tifosi12

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    I have said it before and I say it again: Briatore is a genius. That's not to say he can be a prick and all, but the guy does a first rate job at running a team. Yes, he had top drivers like MS and Alonso who brought him the title, but it was Flavio who put those guys into the seats of his cars, when they were nothing more than an unrealized promise.

    As a generalization I'd say a top team boss has a great influence on the title. I don't think it is the end to all. Ron Dennis formed a lackluster Hakkinen into a MS killing machine netting two titles (really only one without the freak accident). Frank Williams brought Alan Jones to greatness and launched his team on a successful campaign. I also think Todt did the same thing at Ferrari with MS and the 5 titles and ever since Jean took over more responsibilities (like running the whole darn factory) his attention to the racing team must have gone down and with it the results.

    So in conclusion a guy like Flav/Ron/Jean/Frank is the first and important step to the title. But luckily not the only one.
     
  3. Senna1994

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    Andreas, you forgot to mention that Jean Todt's girlfriend at the races must be a major distraction.

    I agree with you on Flavio and Ron Dennis, but no way on Frank Williams, they don't do anything to instill confidence in the driver, just ask; Reutemann, Laffite, Boutsen, Hill, and HHF. Alan Jones was born to be a Williams Driver because he didn't need any nannying as opposed to Carlos Reuteman who should have been the 81 Champion but wasn't treated too warmly at Williams.
     
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    I agree with all your points 100%. I mentioned Frank as another example of the team boss laying the foundation and picking a "nobody" and turn him into a champion. But you're right, Frank has also gone the opposite route of taking a superstar and kill off the potential.
     
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    Maybe partially (or totally) due to his idea that if he builds the right car, it will attrackt the right driver instead of seeing the driver as an integral part of the package?
     
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    Kinda like a Modern Day Enzo, without the Street Cars, and since Adrian Newey no more Championships.
     
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    Neither Frank nor Patrick were ever good at making their drivers feel comfortable, just not in their nature. On top of that I believe Frank doesn't want the driver to become more famous than the car and I also think he is simply frugal when it comes to driver salaries. All that combined was enough to make newly crowned champions run away. Twice. Or as Senna94 pointed out, prevented the titles from happening in the first place.

    I bet Flav can be brutal when you're on his wrong side (e.g. Fisico) and the nicest guy when you're on his good side (Alonso). Frank is somewhere between cold as a fish and ice cold.
     

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