So what exactly causes second gear grind? From your posts you imply it’s not internal but related to shifting linkage and stuff external to the transmission.
That is interesting. For any original owners of gated Ferraris, did they always have 2nd gear grind from new or is it just due to wear over time?
I have a factory gated 360, so it's 1st to 3rd until it warms up (5 minutes). My understanding is that it'a all factory gated 360s that suffer from the cold 2nd gear issue. I absolutely love this car. It makes me smile the way my Spitfire did when I was 18. I have a F430 F1 that I'll convert for enjoyment as soon as I find a shop that I can trust to do a good job.
Mine grinds into second gear but only when really cold, 10 degrees Celsius or under. Double shifting into second for the first minutes of driving solves it. EAG 2020 conversion.
I've driven your Scud and the ediff is functional. People can comment on whatever they want. It works. I drove it.
It´s problematic that a couple of people are making unsupported claims. First about the shift tower (that can grenade itself somehow) and now about the functioning off the e-diff. Either come up with real life cases, proof to support your claims or it´s just libel claims.
Yes agreed. Never heard of the turret grinding even with old EAG iterations. Also Ediff is problematic. What is the point here?
This is a very relevant response. Thank you for that. I don't know that I will go into intimate details on this platform. However in short, all the previous parts that were produced and modified last year have been carried over to the new entity. The older renditions work but the newest are better. Apple iPhone 10 vs iPhone 14. That's all. Not boasting and fully agree with your thoughts of being soured to the pompous ass. Because I said it is superior doesn't mean I'm screaming greatness/excellence or over boasting. I agree with your thoughts of humility. Though at the same time I guess I can't back out of that original statement and why not say the product is excellent when it is and I do believe the product is superior to the competitors. The others reproduce factory components. I've driven factory manuals and our converted manuals. Ours is smoother and still delivers the thrills. I haven't driven DrS nor Lucerna. DrS is a real problem and people will have major issues with their cars down the road but that gets hyper technical. I don't see any issues with Lucerna. They do everything that I can see technically appropriate within the realms of replicating the factory units. Which is OK but why not go for the next best? A good product and customer support is what sells a product. Couldn't agree more! That's what we deliver and promise. I think it was Vince Lombardi that said...... Through the pursuit of perfection we achieve excellence. Something like that. But that's all and the best anyone can do. Nothing and nobody is perfect. There is a better option and a lesser. Our community support will be manifested through actions not empty promises.
I am happy to answer I'm just slightly confused by the organization of the question. Remaining members of EAG consists of Art and his media guy. Everyone of worth moved away from that catastrophe. I hope that answers it.
Please expand on this. It is a technical forum. WRT gear grind. My factory manual 430 never did that. That's an issue of some kind.
That's an issue. There's something amiss. Perhaps driving style leading to worn synchros...1st to 2nd when cold requires more care because it's typically a larger ratio differential. It needs further investigation. Manual cars here are the norm and we would send a car straight to the workshop if it did that. Grinding = damage.
The second gear "grind" only happens when car is cold on first drive of the day; you just have to be patient and stay in first gear at low rpm until the gearbox warms up a little or you can also assist it with a double clutch rev to engage 2nd gear. It's not even a grind because it simply will balk at gear change. In the F1 gearbox, it will delay the shift to second gear until the first few hundred yards in same situation, my Maserati 2009 GTS-F1 does the same. This is normal for a large number of Ferrari gearboxes (see ^^). However this is a distinct issue from having a worn second gear synchro where you will grind regardless of above. My oem-parts EAG conversion (2019-20) is perfect in its mechanical action; only issue was 5th-6th gear change at high speed under load and that was taken care of by minor cable adjustment. The advantage of having your own F1 converted to manual is you know no one had mechanical money shift or over rev or synchro abuse since it was controlled by F1 ECU until your conversion. The same cannot be said of second-hand OEM manuals or other folks' conversion. BTW, the e-diff works as do all mannetino modes with proper change in e-diff control, suspension and throttle remapping etc. Say what you will but when they were in the zone, and not overladed, they did great work. Heck even the upshift button to maximize economy also works. I know it was a team effort so thanks to all the pioneers (you know who you are) including of course the ECU reprogramming which was crucial. The later mish-mash of different implementations and parts and ways of dealing with e-diff and reprogramming are unfortunate. I for one love the F1 as well but the manual experience is perfect for more involvement.
Factory gated owner here - never had 2nd gear grind at any temperature. Oem shifter can be a little notchy when not adjusted properly but it just takes a ton of time to adjust it all out. I guess like tuning an instrument? Not sure the right analogy. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
??? How many miles on your Diablo? First time I have heard of one doing that. My ‘99 shifts very cleanly in all weather.
What exactly is cold 2nd gear grind? Does it actually grind? Or just tricky to get it into gear? I have a Nov 2020 EAG conversion, 2 part welded OEM style tower, according to the paperwork, largely OEM parts (which I paid extra for), and if I never heard the term cold 2nd gear grind, I don't think I would have noticed any 2nd gear difference cold or otherwise. Just trying to understand the issue
I think it also depends where you live and how you store the car. Mine doesn’t grind unless stored in low temperatures between 0-10 approx degrees Celsius and only when stone cold.
This is true definitely related to temperature. I’m in NE and won’t happen in warmer temps in winter yes so I allow to warm up a bit. If you search 2nd gear on this site there are many threads going back 20 years. I always assumed it was related to tolerances in the 2 syncro which changed with temp. But I’ll defer to someone with actual knowledge.
From what I know, you do help others. However, I would take issue that you know more about the real life conversion process than I do or your knowledge of EAG is superior to mine. But, no one should doubt that you've willingly and to your credit, helped many people that had problems with EAG.
