Is Ferrari confiscating and crushing replicas? | FerrariChat

Is Ferrari confiscating and crushing replicas?

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Alex_202, Dec 16, 2010.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Alex_202

    Alex_202 Karting

    Apr 10, 2008
    66
    Sweden
    I recently was told a story that an unfortunate someone had their Ferrari 312PB replica confiscated by Ferrari via customs in Holland. The car ended up crushed/destroyed by Ferrari even though it was built by many original parts.

    Does anyone know if there's any thruth to this?

    As far as I know IPR are only valid for 50 years, so pre 1961 cars should be safe. Should other replica owners worry?

    /Alex
     
  2. Pass

    Pass F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 29, 2008
    12,477
    Salida Colorado
    Full Name:
    Mark Passarelli
    I have heard and read rumors to that effect... Terrifying really; that a private company can compel a government agency to confiscate and destroy private property composed of lawfully obtained components merely assembled in a way that replicates another object. Especially if it is a "one off" replica. I can maybe see a mass produced item being under such scrutiny but not a compilation of rare genuine components.
     
  3. 166&456

    166&456 Formula 3

    Jul 13, 2010
    1,723
    Amsterdam
  4. 166&456

    166&456 Formula 3

    Jul 13, 2010
    1,723
    Amsterdam
    #4 166&456, Dec 16, 2010
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2010
    By the way, the problem here is that the owner was using Ferrari badging. If it were just to "resemble another object" then it would not be as bad, the authorities' case would have been a whole lot more difficult.
    They say imitation is the ultimate form of flattery, but apparently you have to do it better than this guy did. Sad story in so many ways.
     
  5. Furanku

    Furanku Formula Junior

    Sep 25, 2009
    395
    Well then someone should tell them they actually have a 250 California replica in their own museum in Maranello, they would probably destroy it right away...
     
  6. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,118
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    :)
     
  7. 335s

    335s Formula Junior

    Jan 17, 2007
    870
    SF Bay Area
    Full Name:
    T. Monma
    FWIW, and , IHMO....
    As outrageous as it sounds, they are well within their legal rights to petition for such orders, in principle, to protect "intellectual property and trademark protectiion" concerns.
    As far as current legal thinking goes...any owner can do with as they please, anything, to any ca, whichr they own...so the re-body of a GTE-while offensive to some-is completely ok-legally-as Ferrari MADE the car-nee frame(!)-, and you as an owner, may do with it as one pleases...including, the rebody of it to "resmble" anything you so desire...but the chassis number clearly prohibits a "legal representation of that which it is mimicking.."

    On the issue of "bits and pieces" cars-based on FRAMES NOT made by Ferrari-they are
    completely within their rights to cry foul, counterfeit, and an infringement on intellectual propert/trademarks-an issue with which Ferrari takes extremely seriously....these days in particular...
    They seemingly take particular exception with a firm in the UK, as they have muddied the waters on some extremely significant racing cars-or so the scuttlebutt goes-but at the time of fabrication of many of these "suspect cars," they were not nearly valued in the high seven and low eight figures which thery are currently trading at...this is the driving force in IP/TM protection these days....also the driving force behind the Classiche program(in theory, a GREAT idea...implementation has had some severe teething problems apparently?)
     
  8. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Dec 6, 2002
    79,212
    Houston, Texas
    Full Name:
    Bubba
    They have also targeted some outright fraudulent makers in Italy itself....

    I think one would have to be pretty high profile to attract their attention...
     
  9. ApexOversteer

    ApexOversteer F1 Veteran

    Feb 15, 2007
    5,968
    Smoky Mountains, TN
    Full Name:
    T.A. Bell
    Geeze guys, just get your replica Classiche certified and it's all good!
     
  10. 335s

    335s Formula Junior

    Jan 17, 2007
    870
    SF Bay Area
    Full Name:
    T. Monma
    APEX:
    The whole issue of Classiche, as it is currently configured, is that exactly such cars CAN'T and WON'T be certified....they WERE GTEs or 2+2 saloons...NOT SWBs, TRs, or '62 Competition Berlinettas...
    They will NOT certify a 2+2/GTE, etc., with a re-pop body of the ones being alluded to-PERIOD.

    Racing cars of the period, ones with multipole rebodies/wrecks, etc, are "white book cars" and a story of another ilk...and discussion in another forum....:)
     
  11. ApexOversteer

    ApexOversteer F1 Veteran

    Feb 15, 2007
    5,968
    Smoky Mountains, TN
    Full Name:
    T.A. Bell
    Of course you're right. Ferrari doesn't give Classiche certification to such cars... they just put them in the Museum.
     
  12. Furanku

    Furanku Formula Junior

    Sep 25, 2009
    395
    They apparently also invented the "partial certification", I think they used it for the 250 Breadvan. What would Enzo have thought of that?
     
  13. kare

    kare F1 Rookie
    Consultant

    Nov 11, 2003
    3,632
    I don't think he much cared where the money was coming from. Why would he now? Best wishes, Kare
     
  14. 166&456

    166&456 Formula 3

    Jul 13, 2010
    1,723
    Amsterdam
    #14 166&456, Dec 17, 2010
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2010
    I know some people have replicas built of originals, which they keep in the garage while they race the replica. I don't think there is that much wrong with that, it's a bit like copying a CD for your own use. That's also legal :)
    Especially wonderful if built to a high standard such as by this company: http://www.hietbrink.com/
     
  15. ApexOversteer

    ApexOversteer F1 Veteran

    Feb 15, 2007
    5,968
    Smoky Mountains, TN
    Full Name:
    T.A. Bell
    Yeah, the Breadvan is Type 2 certified, it is "A Ferrari Of Historical Importance".
     
  16. swift53

    swift53 F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 17, 2007
    6,727
    E.S.
    Full Name:
    Alberto
    I think Ferrari, if this is true, would be in a ridiculous position. I can only imagine them going after the 156 Sharknose...Jan, hide it!

    Rather pathetic attitude, when the Cali spider is on display at their place...
    I think I will call the Squadra Mobile in Maranello and have them seize it.

    Regards, Alberto
     
  17. ggjjr

    ggjjr Formula Junior

    Nov 11, 2003
    873
    Detroit
    Full Name:
    George
    ......and if the police did, that would be the funniest thing to happen in this century.

    George
     
  18. swift53

    swift53 F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 17, 2007
    6,727
    E.S.
    Full Name:
    Alberto
    Prefettura - Polizia Questura Di Reggio Emilia

    42121 Reggio Nell'Emilia (RE) Corso Garibaldi Giuseppe, 59

    tel:

    39 0522 458711
     
  19. ferraridigest

    ferraridigest Karting

    Jun 27, 2007
    87
    NYC
    Full Name:
    Tony G
    If Ferrari were smart, they would forget about fakes and start making the 50s and 60s classics on a bespoke basis.
     
  20. ApexOversteer

    ApexOversteer F1 Veteran

    Feb 15, 2007
    5,968
    Smoky Mountains, TN
    Full Name:
    T.A. Bell
    #20 ApexOversteer, Dec 17, 2010
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2010
    Exactly, create two new companies, Scuderia Classico for chassis and bodies, and SMF (Specialisti del Motore del Ferrari) for engines, and then start selling cars as Turn Key Minus, to get around having to certify them for the road. Kick those South African GT40 guys right in the Webers.

    .
     
  21. Bryanp

    Bryanp F1 Rookie

    Aug 13, 2002
    3,799
    Santa Fe, NM
    I've been saying this for years. It would certainly help stem the tide of the butchery of 60s 2+2s . . .
     
  22. ferraridigest

    ferraridigest Karting

    Jun 27, 2007
    87
    NYC
    Full Name:
    Tony G
    Think about it. With all the demand for classic "reproduction" cars, there would be plenty of buyers. Factory made with same specs as originals. How much do we think they could get for a "new" 250 GTO or Testarossa? Honestly there would be a small, but very wealthy client base paying at least 10x over the average modern F-car IMHO.
     
  23. Bradley

    Bradley F1 Rookie

    Nov 23, 2006
    2,831
    Lakewood, Colorado
    Full Name:
    Bradley
    The trouble with this is that the owners of original 250 GTOs (or original TRs, Californias, or whatever) would all come entirely unhinged, and justifiably so, at the prospect that even one more genuine, certified GTO in the world would cause the value and cachet of theirs to plummet.
     
  24. judge4re

    judge4re F1 World Champ

    Apr 26, 2003
    13,477
    Never home
    Full Name:
    Dr. Dumb Ass
    Ferrari would only care about upsetting those customers if, and only if, they stopped buying modern Ferraris.
     
  25. 166&456

    166&456 Formula 3

    Jul 13, 2010
    1,723
    Amsterdam
    Exactly. Personally I think it would be very bad marketing. The fact that some of these classic Ferraris have a certain kind of magic to them in style, value and rarity, gives the marque its pedigree. Ferrari making replicas or reproductions or whatever you would want to call them would undermine part of that magic. I think that would cost them way more than they will ever make on them.
     

Share This Page