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Is Ferrari confiscating and crushing replicas?

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  1. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The existence of it makes it a counterfeit.

    Your opinion would not protect you from the law.
     
  2. damian in nj

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  3. ferraripete

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    julio, clearly you are not a porsche fan...i get it. independant of that, the rebody of a gte to gto is quite similar as a rebody of a 911 to a 935 in practice. in the interest of the gte-gto...still a ferrari. in the instance of the 911-935...still a porsche.
     
  4. ferraridigest

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    One more point to consider. Ferrari doesn't make the bodies. That's pininfarina, scaglietti etc. In fact Enzo didn't much care for that part of the business and instead focused on the engines, chassis and other mechanicals.

    So, to claim that somehow changing the body style on a car owned by an individual alters the nature of the ownership rights is absurd IMHO.

    Just to clarify my personal opinion, I don't want or like to see Ferraris altered radically by rebody projects.

    I'm just making the point that these rebody cars (Ferrari engine, chassis, so on) should not be subject to seizure and destruction by the govt in Italy or elsewhere.
     
  5. judge4re

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    Since Aston Martin has only been in bankruptcy something like 37 times, I think they would do anything for a pound or two...
     
  6. kare

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    One thing that might attract attention to replicas is that many if not most do not carry original identification. Frames and engines have often been crudely renumbered and type plates are either missing or have been reproduced. For me this suggests that replica business is one way to put stolen goods back into the market. I'm not saying that all people involved are crooks, but some without a doubt are/have been.

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  7. technom3

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    I understand your point, but I personally or in my opinion don't believe that it is THAT black and white.

    Owning a VHS that you recorded makes it a counterfit? Owning a burned CD makes it a counterfit? Does DVRing a program violate reproduction rights as well?

    I would think... and of course you may know for a fact as I am just stating my best guess etc... that how you represent the item also determines the degree in which the law will act. If it is for personal use there is no monetary gain etc... no malicous intent... and I would "think" that it would be difficult for a judge to take you up on that court case
     
  8. JeremyJon

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    legally, declaring a 'replica' as a 'replica', doesn't change anything, it is built as a counterfit, being that it is not a built by authorization or agreement of the manufacturer (Ferrari, in this case)

    as such it is protected under registered trademark of the designer or manufacturer


     
  9. Bullfighter

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    Unlike your VHS recording of Fast Times at Ridgemont High -- which falls under fair use if you use it only for your own entertainment and is never saleable -- cars are by law registered and titled property, in every state/country. They are a different category of asset. I suppose you could tell the prosecutor that you never planned to sell it, cross your heart, hope to die, etc. Not sure how that would work, in practice.

    Unless you are licensed by Ferrari to produce cars with their name, you would be misappropriating their intellectual property by badging your creation as a Ferrari.
     
  10. technom3

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    lol... very funny!

    and again as a reminder I am only doing this to promote conversation...

    but...

    it sounds like the badge is what pushes it over the edge...

    so if you put it on a complete replica its violating intellectual property... but if it was a 250gte to begin with and is titled as such... then they can't say anything.

    Ferrari should require VIN numbers/proof of ownership in order to acquire a badge. (Shelby does this with Shebly GT-350 side stripes)

    Or the answer... which I am going to say but not condone is... put a loose replica of a ferrari badge on your car... make 3-5 subtle changes and voila... artist interpretation not protected by intellectual property rights...LOL... again... i don't condone this... just making a joke
     
  11. Buxton

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    Its just in very bad taste
     
  12. kare

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    That is nothing but an opinion among other opinions. The Chinese believe that if they miss-spell "perpetual" on a Rolex face, it is not the same product any more and they can't say anything...
     
  13. JeremyJon

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    so i wonder why haven't or when Ferrari is going to catch up these guys?

    apparently i can get a FXX for $38K or even a nice Ferrari SUV?!? LOL

    http://www.superreplicas.org/

    only one actual Ferrari replica being constructed as i can find on the site.....all the rest are pictures of the real thing!! but marked as pics of "thier work"

    http://www.supereplicas.com/galleries/
     
  14. Jamie H

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    But they are located in Panama, so everything must be on the up and up.......right?!?!?!
     
  15. JeremyJon

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    :D absolutely LOL
     
  16. thecheddar

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    When a business has a tagline like "A name you can trust", run. ;)

    Hilarious:

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  17. JeremyJon

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    hey man, those hard working guys are building the orange "Ferrari" exactly like it is in the picture....the picture mounted right over the sidewalk :D :D LOL
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  18. Bryanp

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    wow, gives new meaning to "curb service"

    interesting that their 458 replica vid has Chip Foose ostensibly endorsing the fake. I don't think he wants to find himself in the crosshairs of Ferrari SpA's IP lawyers. . . .
     
  19. Jamie H

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    Hmmmmmm..I wonder if Mr Clarkson is aware that his picture is displayed on the twitter page for the 458 replica???
     
  20. Argento839

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    I'm speechless.....
     
  21. Bullfighter

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    It's appalling, but realistically it's no different than any other replica -- stolen design, stolen badging in order to make a buck.

    If Chip Foose is really involved in this, I'm surprised and disappointed.
     
  22. Bradley

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    I would be very, very surprised if anyone notable, famous (or even known) has anything at all to do with this.

    It's extremely easy to create a false internet "identity." In about half an hour, I could create a "website" for, say, high-end plastic surgery with an imaginary "team" or world-renowned surgeons (with their pictures on the site), phony testimonials from celebrities, and photographs or all sorts of people that I can pretend are endorsing my make-believe company.

    This could all be the work of one person who is simply halfway decent at creating a website. (Remember the short-lived "sponsor" who was asking for deposits on 458 Spyders?)

    I'd not only be surprised if Chip Foose is really involved in this; I'd be surprised if the people who made this website have ever had anything to do with actually producing a car - any car, replica or otherwise. On a website that uses factory photos of genuine Ferraris, as well as unauthorized concept drawings to illustrate the SUVS that they can "sell" to you, that photograph of some people supposedly building a Ferrari (?!) replica could be a photograph of anyone.
     
  23. Argento839

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    Is there a single photograph of the finished "product"?
     
  24. swift53

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    Panama is growing this year at the rate of 7%+.

    Quick, name another country that is even close to that. :)

    Regards, Alberto
     
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