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Is Ferrari working on a LMP1 car?

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by ferrarithijs, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. Turbopanzer

    Turbopanzer F1 Veteran

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    Nice idea. You might want to forward your thoughts to them. It certainly would put more eyes in front of the tube. I certainly would like to see them at LeMans.
     
  2. NürScud

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    Probably you're right... If they had plans to return to LM, at least the would inform the press for it..
     
  3. Igor Ound

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    Not enough spectators, sponsors, money in LeMans.

    They would have to considerably pay Ferrari to compete and give them a strong voice on the politics of the class.

    Bernies come not very often and in small packages.
     
  4. greyboxer

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    Fisichella was interviewed tonite as part of the Le Mans build up and said for him the next step was LMP1 - with which team ? I'm a Ferrari driver
     
  5. 4rePhill

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    So it'll be a Chrysler then on behalf of FIAT! :p
     
  6. Turbopanzer

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    Did Chrysler buy Simca again? :D
     
  7. robert_c

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    Aren't all the P1's winning these days diesel? How can F or P compete?
     
  8. Turbopanzer

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    Deep pockets. Porsche is owned by VW and Ferrari is owned by Fiat. Both have considerable financial resources and both companies have excellent engineering staff. They can compete if they choose.
     
  9. Fast_ian

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    Right up until they get BOP'd out of it.

    Or, of course, BOP'd into contention, depending on what the "powers" want to happen. Seems to me it's not an engineering exercise but rather a political "how much gas/weight/air are we going to be allowed?"

    As for Ferrari doing P2, why? Outside of a few hard core fans, who knows who won what class? Win the thing outright or don't bother IMO.

    Cheers,
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  10. ferrarithijs

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    Isn't it possible to use LaFerrari's engine as a base for an LMP1/LMP2 car? Or maybe something like an F40 LM or F50 GT?? Or are the rules so different they can't use that engine?

    Thijs
     
  11. merstheman

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    According to Napolis, the V12's are at a severe disadvantage in fuel consumption, therefore wouldn't be competitive in Endurance racing unless they were seriously benefitted by "equalization" rules, which already work in favor of the Petrol cars.
     
  12. Quadcammer

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    since when?

    fiat lost 83 million euros in the 1st quarter of 2013


    VAG q1 2013 net income of over 2 billion and that was a terrible quarter.


    Fiat needs to figure out how to stop losing money and deal with Chrysler. why would they want to bother with LMP1?
     
  13. Turbopanzer

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    I agree. No one should go to run for second. Win or nothing. As for politics.....what else do you expect? Its the way things are in big time racing. Still gives the engineers a chance to toy with some new ideas.
     
  14. Turbopanzer

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    Ah............every heard of a bailout? We here in America give money away to the dumbest corporations on the planet. (GM)(Chrysler) If Fiat needs money they just come to good ole Uncle Sam, we give money away for the craziest reasons. Chevy is in Indy Car and its courtesy of the US Taxpayer. Why stop there? Fiat is the red headed step child we all know and love!!! :D
     
  15. tomgt

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    If Ferrari decides to go LMP for sure Dallara will not be involved as they are since 1999 in the Audi lmp project and still are.
    I can only guess F1 department is able to engineer an LMP in house.
    The chances? None imho
     
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    I also heard from one of the commentators during this past LeMans race that Ferrari were working on a works car. Hope there's some truth to this.
     
  18. bbpathfinder

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    From the Renault article-
    "The only thing we will study in LMP1 is supplying a derivative of our Renault F1 engine to teams. With the restrictions in F1, engines will be doing 5000km [between rebuilds], which is getting very close to the mileage you need to do Le Mans."

    With everyone in F1 having to spend a fortune on these new powerplants, it only makes sense to get more use out of them at LeMans....a little 'detuning' and sell them to privateers...Or stick them in your own car. The expensive development and testing has has has already been done and paid for.
    But would Bernie approve of F1 technology being used to showcase the worlds biggest race??
     
  19. lmpdesigner

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    Not going happen. If it was I would already be involved.
     
  20. greyboxer

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    Quoted in AUtosport - head of non-F1 Antonello Coletta

    "At the moment we are concentrated on F1, so it would not be possible to do something else," he explained.

    "That means that we cannot say Ferrari will be in LMP1, but we can also not say that Ferrari will not be in LMP1. We can also not say if our vision is for 2015, 2016 or beyond."

    "Either we build a car or we do not come,"
     
  21. 4rePhill

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    So basically he's saying that it would be wrong to say what was said was right, but it wouldn't be right to say what was said was wrong! :)
     
  22. MisterMaranello

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    #48 MisterMaranello, Dec 7, 2013
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    Haven't read the entire thread, but here's my opinion:

    Hopefully not. The Scuderia F1 team is in shambles and they need to address that before venturing out into something else. Hopefully they will get to grip with the new wind tunnel relatively fast. There isn't enough money in WEC racing either, commercial outreach is poor.

    Remember, Ferrari sub-contracts all it's race car manufacturing (except F1, XX and Challenge) to Michelotto. They officially support AF Corse, but it's not a factory team. Their main focus is F1, that is where the current brand identity lies. Only anoraks like us care about endurance racing, but we're already spoken for as fans of the brand. There is a high degree of overlap within the audience of WEC racing and activities where Ferrari already participate.

    Remember that Ferrari, even though a brand of significant historic provenance, is in it to make money. They wouldn't be in F1 today if it didn't make them loads of money. The vast majority of fans and commercial interest is in F1. Just think about all the products and gimmics Ferrari can sell to you at an excessive price because it has something to do with the word "F1", or "Scuderia".

    Ask yourselves the question from LdM's perspective, what would Ferrari as a brand gain economically from developing an LMP1 car? The only thing I can think of from the top of my head is the sale of customer engines. But Hybrid and turbo technology is coming to F1, powertrain and chassis development is in F1, material development is in F1, active aerodynamics are in F1, and so on and so on. There is nothing Ferrari will gain from LMP1 racing that it isn't gaining in F1 or GT racing today.


    Sorry if this makes me a bit of a killjoy, but it's the reality of things, at least IMHO.
     
  23. 4rePhill

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    Apart from even more extremely valuable thousands of Km's of useful engine race data for it's V6 turbo to add to it's F1 data!

    That would give them a better understanding of component life, component reliability, power usage, fuel usage, engine mapping etc., etc.

    With the limited testing that is allowed in F1, any opportunity to be able to run the V6 turbo to gather data cannot be over-looked!
     
  24. MisterMaranello

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    #50 MisterMaranello, Dec 8, 2013
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    Engine testing is already extensive. It's chassis and tire testing that there are restrictions on. All engine manufacturers do a lot of bay testing on engines and gearboxes, also under load.

    At best, LMP1 will be a very expensive testing opportunity, that they already have access to. They can do as they are doing with LF and put the engine in a road car and do unlimited testing. They also run thousands of hours of engine stress testing in Maranello. Within the lifecycle of the 248 engine, they increased it's effiency by 30%.
     

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