Is it even possible for F1 to remain the pinnacle?

Is this the right forum for an argument.. ?..

Yes it is ...no it isn't ..yes it is...

I'm arguing in my spare time...

 

I used to come here as a relief from other concerns. It's no longer working.
Danke Max.

 

Clint believe what you want, but this opinion is not my creation. I don''t see this as one side is more right than the other. So far, I think they are both ridiculous. But I do look at the paper trail. If you go back and read all the written documents, Mosley's last offer was in fact a compromise from his prior offer. FOTA's last offer was a backtrack. Negotiation is compromise. All they had to do was publically state they would not go along blindly and remove conditional entries, and then offer what financial program they have come up that allows new teams to thrive in F1, and propose a fair governance program. If it were me, this would be my take it or leave offer.

If they did that, and still got the same follow me anywhere response from Mosley, then it would be time to move on. I would not want the FIA to have a complete change of heart, I happen to agree with their basic concepts of cost reduction, but not their methods or timing.

But that is not what happened. Instead, this has now totally become a power struggle between certain individuals. I am sure people in the paddock would agree with that.


If you really want to look at this fairly, don't take any sides. For example, why wasn't something along this counter-offered by FOTA:

"The way by which we reduce the costs needs to be agreed. Principally it's a process issue. Our company had to restructure at the start of this year following the withdrawal of Honda. Some companies are much larger and have agreements with their staff. Those based in Germany and Italy, there are trade unions involved." Brawn's Nick Fry.

 

If they say it enough times they believe it must be right, but at the end of the day just don't get it..

Max has made and given the FIA a big wide spread power base, and he abuses it, nearly everyone disagrees with the way he deals/rules the sport.

He must accept that this is not the way to run the sport, his manner in this day and age is totally draconian and pathetic.

IMO the teams have gone to great lengths to reach a compromise, I believe they are close to deal in regards to most of the issues.

But the main one is governance, personally I would not want Mosley a million light years near the sport, but if he wants to save the sport, why does he not agree to the teams deals, or least resign. He is not F1 never has been, never will be.

 

He doesn't even have to agree to anything but to establish the rules before the players ante up.

 

True.

“The most intense conflicts, if overcome, leave behind a sense of security and calm that is not easily disturbed,” he said. “It is just these intense conflicts and their conflagration which are needed to produce valuable and lasting results.”

Carl Jung.

 

Kinda like afterglow.

BTW a poll on Manipe F1 has over 90% of fans saying they'd follow a FOTA series over a FIA one.

 

It really does not surprise me Dave, the masses have spoken and the teams are aware of it.

I want to see Ferrari race with the best competition produced, on the best tracks with the best drivers.

And I would follow no matter what it's called..

I keep saying the teams only need to focus on removing Max, the rest could be deemed as posturing and it would be a big deal starting a fresh series, but having said that if they could secure Monaco and get Bernie on side job done.

Max will then enter a sex dungeon, and never be seen again.

 

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247545

 

But, Ron, that's exactly what they did, and they got the same response from him - Again: "Sign up, unconditionally, and then we can talk......

He's shown time and again he can't be trusted so why the hell would they go along?..... In the past, he managed to divide and conquer, and I honestly believe he thought he could do the same again (split Ferrari away, scare 'em into disarray and so on) - While that was successful with the "garagistes", it simply isn't going to work with the big guys - As long as they stand together, and at last they've realiszed that is the key.

I really think he's gone crazy! - Consensus was it happened with JMB, now it's happened to him. Sad.

Cheers,
Ian

 

The bit I highlighted is his by his own doing, in all areas of his life.

So bang on Ian.

 

From another thread but to the point;

"I commented above but I wish to add more. Bernie and Max must really be screwed up; they have to have figured out by now how badly they have ruined a once great sport. Usually, you would think the fans would be upset at thge teams effectively destroying the sport (example: the MLB and NHL strikes). You know something is really wrong when the fans cheer for the teams withdrawing from the sport. How bad does the governing body have to be for there to be an almost unanimous feeling from the fans that they are better off somewhere else.

Mark "

 

Yes just read that, in its thread V good.

 

Having lived thru a summer without baseball I can survive this.

 

The Lions have finally figured out the guy in the middle of the ring has but a whip and a chair, and.... well.... They are Lions !