Is it time to buy an Enzo?

A truly classic quote lol

 

Jim your numbers are good, but for what you are willing to spend Id want to see a 3k miles maximum.

 

The black Enzo at Steve Harris in Salt Lake is listed at $1.2mm. Whats a 13k mile seemingly no stories black car worth? $900000?

 

I simply would offer what you're willing to pay and see what happens. Over many years that's worked for me. I think your number is fair but whether they'll take that or whether someone will pay more is unknowable until you make an offer.

I also think Joe is worth speaking to if you're seriously looking to buy a car like this.

As for a warranty, Enzo's can get expensive fast. We just replaced rear CV joints and wheel bearings. The parts were 15K+. PPIing one is a job for a real expert with the right tools and computers. Service History and who did it is VERY important.

 

Unlikely despite the miles and the fact that it's black (since there are less than 10 black examples in the U.S.). If the crashed red POS Enzo that Eddie Griffin drove sold for $755 plus fees that puts it in the $800k range. An uncrashed version would have been $900k+. A similar black one is likely still $1m+ (or at least that's probably what it will take to buy it).

 

I have been looking for an Enzo for roughly the past year now. One that I have been looking at is the 2003 Enzo at Steve Harris, and I know they are holding strong at $1.1 million not a penny less. It does have 13K miles but it is a one owner car, and recently undergone its 15K Service and has New Bridgestone Scuderia tires.

Because I love the color Black and all my cars are Black / Black, I have limited choices - and have researched and found the following :

Of the 399 Enzos made (even though I have heard from many sources around 430-440 or so were actually produced - but only Ferrari knows the real number)

6 Black Enzos were shipped to the United States of which one had tan interior and the other red interior, leaving only (4) Black / Black Enzos in the United States -

4 BLACK / BLACK ENZOS UNITED STATES

01) TOTALED - Stefan Eriksson's Enzo from Beverly Hills / not only did he total it, story has it that he moved over the the passenger seat and claimed a mysterious driver name Deiter was driving - and ran off after the accident.... You gotta love this guy.
02) Belongs to the Rapper / Song writer Pharrel - not for sale. Also not in good condition.
03) Was recently sold in Bensalem PA - new owner not for sale. 1,400 miles $1.5 mil
04) The Enzo at Steve Harris in Utah. For Sale currently asking $1.2 million.

I have found the Following BLACK / BLACK ENZOS Around the Globe.

01) The Best Blk / Blk Enzo in the World - Registered 2005, only 1,650 milles but this Enzo is owned by Sheikh Armari, owner of Amari Supercars, and he won't sell, even at his asking price of 1.2 mil UK Pounds ($1.9 million US Dollars)
http://www.amarisupercars.com/

02) Blk / Blk Enzo at SPS Automotive in Hong Kong - Like the above car in UK, owner of this Enzo is not a real seller, no matter how much you offer them.

The below three Enzos listed on Anamera have all sold - (I love the Anamera site, but many of their listing are outdated and old, these cars that have already sold.

03) Blk / Blk Enzo was in Autogalerie Kux in Germany - 3,200 Kilometers and registered in 2004 - but this sold in the spring already - roughly 900,000 Euro ($1,250,000 mil US)

04) Blk / Blk Enzo in Milano recently sold for $1.4 Million US Mint and low miles.

05) Blk / Blk Enzo at Stradale Automobile in France - $1.35 mil US

The Singer Jamiroquai "Jay Kay" in the UK has a Black Enzo with a Strange Blue / Green color leather interior, but yet again, does not want to sell.........

So if anyone has any leads on a low mile / mint condition Black / Black Enzo please let me know, I would greatly appreciate any help I can get..... The search continues.

IN REGARDS TO THE 599GTO -

What a great Car !!!! was at Rich's house "Tax Dr" this past weekend, he just received delivery of his 599 GTO Red / Black - he of course still has his Red / Black Enzo and his Yellow 16M. He teils us this GTO is a Beast !! Scary to Drive it has so much Power !!

I attached some photos ;-)
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u sure about only 4?
there is a black on black enzo here in westchester and also there was another at a car show last week with NJ plates (http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=294536)

 

Deiter's was rebuilt at the factory and an Fchatter bought it (It may be available from the authorities who seized it)

Here's a photo of another one that has been rebuilt by the factory. My friend Tex know's the story.

There's a new black one still strapped to a pallet that another Fchatter knows about that was for sale a while ago and still may be. (Big Ask)

The only comodity is time.


"The black Enzo at Steve Harris in Salt Lake is listed at $1.2mm."

"the 2003 Enzo at Steve Harris, and I know they are holding strong at $1.1 million not a penny less."

The price is dropping 100K between posts and it's still for sale.
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RickyN
I am not sure (to be honest) - always open to hear and learn from fellow Ferrari enthusiasts such as yourself. The six above is what I have been able to confirm and research. But I have quickly learned it is very difficult to get exact numbers - so I would never claim to be 100%. I did hear the Enzo that recently sold in PA was sold to someone in New York, so that makes sense if you saw it in Westchester, that may be the same one. As far as the one with NJ plates - I would be very curious to find out more. Or, those could be #5 & #6 Blk / Blk, who knows ?...... I have heard from several good sources a very limited number of Black Enzos were shipped to USA.

I wonder if there is a Enzo "Yoda" out there - I do believe "Napolis" is the closest you can come - hopefully he can help guide us....

Would love to confirm the exact numbers of Enzos built Total ? 399 ? 400-450 ????
How many Enzos shipped to the USA ?
How many Black / Black Enzos in the USA ?
How many Black / Black Enzos Worldwide ?

Looking forward to hearing inside info just like you were able to give me, thanks RickyN

 

here are the photos.
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I cannot confirm if these are accurate - But I found photos of the infamous Eddie Griffin Crashed Enzo undergoing repairs , which was / is ?? owned by Daniel Sadek (Founder of Quick Loan Funding) before the housing bubble (CDO's) this guy made a fortune, and spent a fortune on his car collection and his Movie "RedLine", which his girlfriend Nadia Bjorlin of course had the staring role ;-)......

Ya Gotta love this Guy !!
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FHR - vaguely recall that erikkson actually had brought 2 Enzos (one red, one black) into the US; I think they were ROW models, and not sure if they were truly registered for use in the US, etc.?

the red one was the Enzo that he crashed on PCH; I don't know what happened to the black one, but my guess would be it that was seized, as was the SLR that his wife was driving at the time.

as to an Enzo "Yoda," NNO is probably your man...

 

There's a new black one still strapped to a pallet that another Fchatter knows about that was for sale a while ago and still may be. (Big Ask)
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I would love to learn more about this Black Enzo another Fchatter knows about ? Please tell me more.

 

Arnaget
That makes sense now (E. having two enzos), because I remember seeing erikkson's black Enzo had black finished rims, and when I saw the crash photos I thought it looked like the remains of a red enzo with classic rims on PCH, I always was confused about that.......

As you said, the authorities most likely have the black enzo now. Curious where it is now ?

I will def look up NNO. thanks for the info.

 

As I recall the black Enzo and SLR were seized by the European bank that held the titles-I just can't remember if that bank was in London or Sweden. Anyone have that info?

 

Royal Bank of Scotland.

 

No, yes and no.

No it does not belong to Pharrel any longer.

Yes its not for sale currently (that I know of).

No that's not correct that it is "not in good condition". I had that car eyeballed very carefully in the past year and it was indistinguishable from new at that time, kudos to Pharrel who apparently takes really good care of his stuff.

 

Thanks Joe for the accurate info on Pharrel's Enzo. As I have said before, all I can go on is what I have been told, and many times I receive misinformation. Hard to confirm what is true or not.

Have you seen the Enzo at Steve Harris - any info you can share with me ?

Or the Black Enzo Napolis spoke of ?

 

Joe

Checked out your website - I do believe I have found the "Yoda" of Supercars. ;-)

I see on your website you sold a Black Enzo - Vin # 131631 - Was this Pharel's Enzo ?

I have been searching for this Black Enzo Vin # 34282 ? (photos attached) Any idea where this is ?
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I have not seen the Steve Harris Enzo yet, but that might change shortly..

 

Didnt Jeffrey recently acquire a black Enzo?

 

I did.

Nathaniel - Your information about the number of black Enzos in the U.S. is not correct. There are more than you have found. The number seems to be around 10 give or take a couple. I personally know of three black Enzos (including mine). The other two are both in Beverly Hills. One of them is Pharrel's car which - as Joe accurately pointed out - is a pristine specimen. It is also Carbon's wet dream!

I have no information on the Steve Harris car. For what it's worth - if you're seeking a black Enzo and don't mind that it has 13k miles - then you should simply buy the car (assuming it checks out). You can't really place an accurate value on it simply because it's the only one for sale. It's worth whatever you're willing to pay for it. You could wait and see if another one comes up or you could buy this one and enjoy it. IMO - $1.1 is not a bad deal. Could it be less? Sure. Maybe even $100k less but at this level (and being a black car) you can't worry about $100k one way or the other. We all like to get a good deal but sometimes there's no basis to negotiate. It's not as if there are six black Enzos to choose from.

Whatever you decide - best of luck to you. I happen to like my cars in either black or white so I'm biased when I say that it looks awesome in black!
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Hey Jeffrey

Thanks for the inside info and guidance, it is amazing that within the past 24 hours how much new intel I have received on FC..... And by the way, love your Black Enzo ! You have excellent taste !

So for all my fellow FC friends - thanks for all the inside intel.......... here are a few corrections from my previous post -

01) Looks like there are as many as 10 -/+ Black Enzos in the States.
* would love to confirm the exact number ?
* How many Black / Black Enzo to be more precise ? Anyone know ?
02) The Erikkson Enzo totaled and then restored was his Red one - His second Black Enzo was seized (title held by Royal Bank of Scotland) Wonder where it is ?
03) Pharrel recently sold his Enzo and it is in Mint Condition !!!

This is why of love Ferrari and the reason I host the Ferrari Hamptons Rally here in the east coast. Because I meet fellow enthusiasts like yourselves who share my passion and I am always learning something new.

keep the info coming ;-)

 

didn't the seized enzo end up somewhere in europe? and the red one was fixed and also somewhere in europe? switzerland or something for either of them,or was it poland i'm not sure

amari is not a sheikh,he changed his name apparently.there has been a thread about him,there is alot of history associated with him and this cars and his history,a good search will reveal some interesting things which you can decide upon